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Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362745/30412/30] Posted by TonyN at 23:57, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here is the National library of Scotland link to the 1904 25" OS Map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/120901525
Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362744/30412/30] Posted by johnneyw at 22:59, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Blimey, my flabber is truly gasted. I thought that no one would get that but once again I'm reminded never to underestimate the collective knowledge of this forum. I stumbled on it on a walk between Pershore and Evesham.
I thought that, despite it clearly leading to the farm entrance, it might have been linked with the adjacent gravel pits (now part of an expanding holiday chalet park). The O.S map at 2.5 inches to the mile does rather make it look like it was linked to the Pershore to Evesham line.
Body found in river after search for swimmer: Bradford-on-Avon, 27 June 2025 In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [362743/30415/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:35, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A very sad event.
From the BBC:

The body of a 26-year-old man has been recovered from a river following an extensive search effort.
Wiltshire Police said it responded to concerns for a man who had been swimming in the River Avon in Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, at 17:43 BST on Friday.
Emergency crews from Trowbridge, Chippenham, Bath and Temple Back, along with water rescue units from Trowbridge, Stratton and Bath, attended the scene and later recovered a body.
While formal identification has not yet taken place, police said the man's family had been informed.
Of note is that a fire and rescue crew from Temple Back (which is in central Bristol) was also dispatched to Bradford-on-Avon. Clearly the emergency services were doing all they could possibly do to rescue the swimmer.
Our thoughts are with his family and friends.
CfN.

Re: RMT to ballot GWR Gateline staff over lone staffing plans - June 2025 In "Across the West" [362741/30351/26] Posted by ChrisB at 19:58, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The press release is on the RMT website.
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-to-ballot-gwr-gateline-staff-over-dangerous-lone-staffing/
Anyone car to spill *which* seven stations are referred to?
I presume that the suggestion is to flexstaff away from barriers into the stations as a whole? Or are they suggesting a loss of these staff?
Re: GWR PAYG Accounts Deleted - Compensation being paid In "Fare's Fair" [362740/30405/4] Posted by RailCornwall at 19:10, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
.... and to confirm charged correctly with the linked D&C Railcard discount taken off.
Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362739/30412/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:12, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Wow! Well done, members!
I was floundering around somewhere down in Cornwall, looking for pictures of a clearly long-disused siding.

CfN.

Re: Pilning station - services and campaigns (merged posts) In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362738/21830/21] Posted by ChrisB at 18:06, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ask the mayor? Apparently, he can open stations, so must be able to fund a station bridge?
Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362737/30412/30] Posted by bradshaw at 17:55, 28th June 2025 Already liked by TonyN, Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It is even on Street View!
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362736/28982/26] Posted by ChrisB at 17:39, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Possibly to do with the fact that Wales services aren't coming under GBR/DfT/UK Government, but staying with the Welsh Government?
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362735/28982/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:29, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They will have to be put in GWR colours, and I'd guess they will choose to vinyl them as its the cheapest option.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
GWR colours - or just have the operator name changed? We have had all sorts of trains running around in wrong liveries over the years - most recently some 387s in C2C livery, for example ... and for many years the morning Melksham to Swindon train was operated by a SWT unit. 153s at one time came in a variety of paint jobs such as Central Trains and Casper. Is there something difference in the legals this time around?
No, they will be in GWR colours. 387’s were sub-leased, same as the SWT units, Casper carried no identifiable operator livery whereas the 175 fleet is operated by GWR.
I don’t have the exact reason, just GWR have been told they run in TfW colours. That could be a TfW or DafT stipulation, or that the future plan will see 175s working to Cardiff.
It's certainly a daft stipulation, whoever originated it.
Re: How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays? In "Fare's Fair" [362734/30413/4] Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:21, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What would be useful is a breakdown of that figure.
Delay Repay does not only cover cancellations but also delays to services that do run. These could be caused by a multitude of reasons, delays caused by other GWR trains, delays caused by other companies trains, freight trains, passengers, trespassers, weather - things that investing more money is unlikely to solve.
The figures also show what GWR paid out - some of it may be for delays caused by other Train Operating Companies which led to missed GWR connections etc.
Delay Repay does not only cover cancellations but also delays to services that do run. These could be caused by a multitude of reasons, delays caused by other GWR trains, delays caused by other companies trains, freight trains, passengers, trespassers, weather - things that investing more money is unlikely to solve.
The figures also show what GWR paid out - some of it may be for delays caused by other Train Operating Companies which led to missed GWR connections etc.
Delay/Repay is all ultimately funded by the taxpayer however isn't it?
Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles In "The Lighter Side" [362733/11558/30] Posted by Marlburian at 15:37, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Daily Express
I came across the story when looking at "Samsung News" on my mobile ... Somewhat rashly, it included a stock "Getty Image" photo taken outside a ScotRail carriage and looking through the window to the interior where a woman and two men are innocently seated. (I can't find that particular image on the Getty website.)
Re: How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays? In "Fare's Fair" [362732/30413/4] Posted by bobm at 15:05, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What would be useful is a breakdown of that figure.
Delay Repay does not only cover cancellations but also delays to services that do run. These could be caused by a multitude of reasons, delays caused by other GWR trains, delays caused by other companies trains, freight trains, passengers, trespassers, weather - things that investing more money is unlikely to solve.
The figures also show what GWR paid out - some of it may be for delays caused by other Train Operating Companies which led to missed GWR connections etc.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362731/28982/26] Posted by a-driver at 14:23, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From a GWR social media feed yesterday
Will this be addressing the fundamental problem of staff shortages? Do the extra 175 units which used to run in Wales come with extra drivers who also used to drive in Wales?
Noting it's in red and white.
Have you spotted a different train operating on our network today?
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
Will this be addressing the fundamental problem of staff shortages? Do the extra 175 units which used to run in Wales come with extra drivers who also used to drive in Wales?
Noting it's in red and white.
There isn’t a staff shortage. They have the numbers, they just aren’t fully trained in traction and routes!.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362730/28982/26] Posted by a-driver at 14:19, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They will have to be put in GWR colours, and I'd guess they will choose to vinyl them as its the cheapest option.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
GWR colours - or just have the operator name changed? We have had all sorts of trains running around in wrong liveries over the years - most recently some 387s in C2C livery, for example ... and for many years the morning Melksham to Swindon train was operated by a SWT unit. 153s at one time came in a variety of paint jobs such as Central Trains and Casper. Is there something difference in the legals this time around?
No, they will be in GWR colours. 387’s were sub-leased, same as the SWT units, Casper carried no identifiable operator livery whereas the 175 fleet is operated by GWR.
I don’t have the exact reason, just GWR have been told they run in TfW colours. That could be a TfW or DafT stipulation, or that the future plan will see 175s working to Cardiff.
Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362729/30412/30] Posted by TonyN at 14:16, 28th June 2025 Already liked by bradshaw, johnneyw | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Springhill Farm Fladbury Worcs.
Siding from Fladbury Station for Stokes Bomford Farmers and Growers. Almost certainaly horse worked.
Mostly Bridge rail some of the rail has been dug out recently near the Network Rail boundry when a new fence was installed.
The Wave - inland surfing facility near Pilning Station In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362728/30414/21] Posted by eightonedee at 14:04, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Investigations at Companies House show that Surf Bristol Ltd is a subsidiary of another company that went into administration last month owing nearly £15,000,000 to yet another company that seems to have lent this to fund the construction of the facility. The administrators' initial proposals indicate that they doubt the business can be sold as a going concern, so it's likely to end up as a sale of whatever assets can be sold and a big write-off for someone. Sullivan Street Partners don't seem to have anything like such a substantial stake in anything. Insofar as anything can be discerned from the abbreviated statutory accounts they have filed (because they are too small to have to file full accounts), they only seem to have a net asset value of £100k, a drop in the ocean (or surf park?) compared to the financial interest of others involved.
Anyone know of a use for an inland surf park, and with a few million to spare to see if it works?
Re: Animals on Railway Tracks In "The Lighter Side" [362727/30410/30] Posted by Oxonhutch at 13:31, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ireland and Germany
How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays? In "Fare's Fair" [362725/30413/4] Posted by grahame at 12:00, 28th June 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://www.gwr.com/help-and-support/refunds-and-compensation/delay-repay
In the four weeks from 2nd to 31st March 2025, there were 107,097 Delay Repay claims of which 83% were approved. The total value of the compensation was nearly £2 million pounds.
If the delayed journeys caused by cancellations could be - say - halved, how much would it cost? Looking at the immediate economics of today's cancellation of two round trips on the Swindon to Westbury line, how much is paid out in delay / repay, how much revenue is lost because people don't even book, and how much extra is paid out for taxis and bus drivers for rail replacement services?
Looking beyond the immediate daily cost, how much damage is done to the railway being people's standard choice to make the journey and its reputation? What is the cost of that over months and years?
I would line to see Delay/Repay costing just a tenth of the current level - not because I don't like the scheme, but is should be the exception that things go so wrong that they get some of their money back. Each refund - over 22 thousand of them every week - represents a failure to deliver a published service, and a loss of faith / significant delay for a member of the public.
Put in another way - how far would over £20 million pounds per annum go to getting us a reliable GWR service?
Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [362724/30412/30] Posted by johnneyw at 10:50, 28th June 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I will be flabbergasted if anyone gets this one as it's quite off the beaten track (oops, unplanned pun) but let's see. It is within GWR territory if that's any help. All three pictures taken from roughly the same spot.
Also, any suggestions as to it's original purpose? I think that I may have an idea there.
If no answers by tomorrow I'll give the location and what I think it my have been for.
The Wave - inland surfing facility near Pilning Station In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362723/30414/21] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:45, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, they've gone bust.
From the BBC:
Future of sold surfing lake remains uncertain

The future of an inland surfing lake remains uncertain as the facility is sold amid a row over finances.
The Wave, on the outskirts of Bristol, shut suddenly on Thursday and cancelled bookings after being placed into technical insolvency.
CEO Hazel Geary announced on Friday evening the site, under the entity Surf Bristol Limited, had been sold to a company called Sea Level Wave Company Ltd.
Negotiations had been taking place with the aim of reopening the facility on Saturday, but the BBC understands those have broken down at the last minute.
Majority owners Sullivan Street Partners claimed the closure followed problems surrounding the bankruptcy of a director of another funding partner, JAR Wave.
The BBC has approached the firm for comment.
There is no clarity as yet for customers and potentially as many as 200 employees of The Wave as to what happens next.
Ms Geary said the site now cannot operate and The Wave Group, owners of the surf park, is unable to "facilitate a smooth handover due to the significant conflicts".
The website is inoperable and Ms Geary claims her access to all digital assets have been blocked, including emails, documents and social media accounts.
In a statement, The Wave Group said these actions have "removed the business from the investors and staff that have built and grown the park". It added: "Whilst this is very disappointing to lose a managed site in this way, we are mostly sorry for the upset the actions of others have caused for Wavemakers and clients of The Wave. We march on and are determined to continue our mission to deliver an amazing inland surf experience for all."
The company says it remains on track to open a separate namesake site in London in 2027 and also has "several other opportunities under development".
Negotiations regarding the immediate future of the The Wave in Bristol are continuing.

The future of an inland surfing lake remains uncertain as the facility is sold amid a row over finances.
The Wave, on the outskirts of Bristol, shut suddenly on Thursday and cancelled bookings after being placed into technical insolvency.
CEO Hazel Geary announced on Friday evening the site, under the entity Surf Bristol Limited, had been sold to a company called Sea Level Wave Company Ltd.
Negotiations had been taking place with the aim of reopening the facility on Saturday, but the BBC understands those have broken down at the last minute.
Majority owners Sullivan Street Partners claimed the closure followed problems surrounding the bankruptcy of a director of another funding partner, JAR Wave.
The BBC has approached the firm for comment.
There is no clarity as yet for customers and potentially as many as 200 employees of The Wave as to what happens next.
Ms Geary said the site now cannot operate and The Wave Group, owners of the surf park, is unable to "facilitate a smooth handover due to the significant conflicts".
The website is inoperable and Ms Geary claims her access to all digital assets have been blocked, including emails, documents and social media accounts.
In a statement, The Wave Group said these actions have "removed the business from the investors and staff that have built and grown the park". It added: "Whilst this is very disappointing to lose a managed site in this way, we are mostly sorry for the upset the actions of others have caused for Wavemakers and clients of The Wave. We march on and are determined to continue our mission to deliver an amazing inland surf experience for all."
The company says it remains on track to open a separate namesake site in London in 2027 and also has "several other opportunities under development".
Negotiations regarding the immediate future of the The Wave in Bristol are continuing.
The Wave - inland surfing facility near Pilning Station In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362722/30414/21] Posted by johnneyw at 10:35, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Let's hope it's just a case of one of the partnership throwing their toys out of the pram. Nothing I've seen as yet specifically says that it's gone bust....but I might have missed something, I was quite busy yesterday.
Birnbeck Pier plan 'in jeopardy' as RNLI pulls out - June 2025 In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [362721/30411/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 08:55, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:

Plans to restore a historic pier are "in jeopardy" after key partner the Royal National Lifeboat Institute (RNLI) pulled out of the deal.
North Somerset Council confirmed it would have to delay the process of appointing contractors to renovate the pier.
Under the abandoned plans, the RNLI would have established a new base on the pier and had committed to raising £5m towards the cost, according to the council.
Peter Sparkes, RNLI chief executive, said the charity did not have "the confidence needed in the funding or contractual structure" to complete the pier repair.
Councillor Mike Bell, leader of North Somerset Council, said the authority had been working alongside the RNLI on the project for nearly seven years. "This is a shocking decision that breaks faith with residents, volunteers, and everyone who has worked so hard to secure a future for Birnbeck Pier," he said. "The withdrawal has absolutely come out of the blue. I would summarise it as they feel that it's 'too risky' for them as a national charity. We feel very let down, as I'm sure many residents will too. I want to reassure residents that the council, along with our funding partners, remain committed to saving Birnbeck Pier," he added.
Mr Sparkes said the RNLI's initial pledge was based on the "belief it would support the delivery of [the charity's] core purpose, to save lives at sea".

But following a viability review, concerns arose regarding funding and plans to ensure ongoing maintenance costs associated with the historic pier would be met, he added.
"Investing donors' money in a pier restoration project that is not fully funded, with insufficient risk contingency to ensure the project reaches completion, would present an unacceptable on-going financial risk," he said. "As would investing donors' money in a lifeboat station on the island, which is only accessible by a pier for which there is no viable long term maintenance plan." However, he added the charity "remained committed" to securing a permanent lifesaving facility in Weston-super-Mare for their work.

More than £20m has been secured for the project through grants from the UK government, the National Lottery Heritage Fund, the National Heritage Memorial Fund and Historic England.
A spokesperson for The National Lottery Heritage Fund and the National Heritage Memorial Fund said: "We are aware of the news that the RNLI have announced today to withdraw from the Birnbeck Pier project. This is obviously disappointing for everyone involved. We continue to be committed to finding a viable future for Birnbeck Pier and are working closely with North Somerset Council, Historic England and the Birnbeck Regeneration Trust to explore all possible options."
North Somerset Council had hoped to appoint contractors on 8 July, with the work expected to begin later this year. The appointment will now be delayed.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362720/28982/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:36, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From a GWR social media feed yesterday
Will this be addressing the fundamental problem of staff shortages? Do the extra 175 units which used to run in Wales come with extra drivers who also used to drive in Wales?
Noting it's in red and white.
Have you spotted a different train operating on our network today?
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
Will this be addressing the fundamental problem of staff shortages? Do the extra 175 units which used to run in Wales come with extra drivers who also used to drive in Wales?
Noting it's in red and white.
..........and if so, do those drivers "legally" have to be painted a different colour and/or wear different clothes to allow them to drive the trains?

Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362719/28982/26] Posted by grahame at 06:57, 28th June 2025 Already liked by TaplowGreen | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From a GWR social media feed yesterday
Have you spotted a different train operating on our network today?
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
You might have seen one of our incoming Class 175 trains – unit 175002 – running between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.
It’s part of the testing and training taking place before these trains join our Devon and Cornwall services. The trains will be phased into service from the end of this year to help boost reliability and performance across the wider GWR network
Will this be addressing the fundamental problem of staff shortages? Do the extra 175 units which used to run in Wales come with extra drivers who also used to drive in Wales?
Noting it's in red and white.
Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [362718/28982/26] Posted by grahame at 06:51, 28th June 2025 Already liked by TaplowGreen, Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They will have to be put in GWR colours, and I'd guess they will choose to vinyl them as its the cheapest option.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
Legally they can't run in their TfW livery.
GWR colours - or just have the operator name changed? We have had all sorts of trains running around in wrong liveries over the years - most recently some 387s in C2C livery, for example ... and for many years the morning Melksham to Swindon train was operated by a SWT unit. 153s at one time came in a variety of paint jobs such as Central Trains and Casper. Is there something difference in the legals this time around?
Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance In "London to the West" [362717/489/12] Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:42, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:54
27/06/25 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:54 was terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to a broken down train.
Animals on Railway Tracks In "The Lighter Side" [362716/30410/30] Posted by grahame at 06:32, 28th June 2025 Already liked by PhilWakely | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From my social media feed ...


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [362715/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 05:43, 28th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:18
18:35 Westbury to Swindon due 19:17
19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29
19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:18
18:35 Westbury to Swindon due 19:17
19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29
19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.