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Gwynedd heritage trains used as 'fire engines on rails' in hot weather: Aug 2025
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364775/30633/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:50, 27th August 2025
 
From the BBC:



A heritage railway is using water trains to help tackle the risk of fire, after one of the driest years on record.

Trains have been pulling water tanks – equipped with pumps and sprayers – to damp down the sides of railway tracks along the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways in Gwynedd. They aim to minimise the risk of steam engines causing fires but have also been able to help provide North Wales Fire and Rescue Service with water in inaccessible places to tackle other blazes.

Paul Lewin, general manager of the railway, said the water trains were like a "fire engine on rails", and had been used most weeks throughout the summer. The railway's biggest water tank holds 3,300 gallons (15,000 litres).

"I don't think more than a week has gone by without us needing to mobilise the water trains for some reason," said Mr Lewin. "A lot of that has been protective work, dousing the lineside with water to protect from fire."

However, he also said they were on hand to deliver water to North Wales Fire and Rescue Service in remote locations, if needed. "We had somebody set a car on fire near one of our embankments just last Thursday, which caused quite a considerable fire, and we were able to mobilise the water train and work with North Wales Fire and Rescue to send water down the embankment towards the car and the area that was on fire," he added.

The company runs about 40 miles (64km) of track between two lines around Porthmadog, Caernarfon and Blaenau Ffestiniog in Gwynedd. Mr Lewin said this year had been the driest he had seen in his 23 years at the railway.

On Tuesday afternoon, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service confirmed it was in attendance at a fire behind Maes Du Golf Club, Cwm Mountain, Llandudno, with a number of crews and wildfire units called to the scene.

A spokesperson for the service urged the public to stay away from the area and asked people in the Llandudno area to close their windows and doors, especially residents on Ffordd Maenan and Bodnant. Over the bank holiday weekend the public were also warned to stay away from a mountain fire after vehicles blocked routes the fire service were using to get to the scene.

Fire crews were called to Anglesey's Mynydd Bodafon on Saturday after receiving multiple callouts to the blaze on Friday evening. Residents of Mynydd Bodafon said they were left without water after the blaze, before supplies were restored on Monday around lunchtime.


Re: Campaign calls for free public transport in London - August 2025
In "Transport for London" [364774/30632/46]
Posted by grahame at 11:03, 27th August 2025
 
As one of our esteemed members is wont to ask.........Ooooooooos gonna pay for it?

No-one - it's going to be free  . ... of course, it means "free at the point of use" and there's some potential sense in that.   

I have noted in Luxembourg and in certain places in Norway that there is no charge for the use of public transport, and at places in France and Germany where some services are free or you are assumed to have a ticket where loading and unloading speed, so transit time and staffing levels can be notably reduced.

We are a long way from the underground going barrier free and people not even having to swipe a card as they get on buses, but it has its attractions.

Re: Campaign calls for free public transport in London - August 2025
In "Transport for London" [364773/30632/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:30, 27th August 2025
 
As one of our esteemed members is wont to ask.........Ooooooooos gonna pay for it?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [364772/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:27, 27th August 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Oxford and Didcot Parkway

Due to a derailment within the depot between Oxford and Didcot Parkway the line towards Didcot Parkway is blocked.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day

Campaign calls for free public transport in London - August 2025
In "Transport for London" [364771/30632/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:25, 27th August 2025
 
From the BBC:



Londoners need free public transport to reduce inequality and get polluting cars off the road, Transport for London (TfL) has been told.

The capital's Tube network is already considered the most expensive of any major global city, with fares set to rise by above inflation until 2030. This has prompted concerns that ordinary Londoners are avoiding Tube travel due to soaring costs, potentially increasing the number of vehicles on the road.

TfL says it is mostly funded by passenger fares, compared with other countries which receive larger subsidies from central government. The removal of passenger fares would require billions of pounds to be found from elsewhere.

TfL made £5.24bn from passenger fares in 2023-24, and is expected to take in £5.7bn in 2025-26.

The transport body got £1.6bn in income from advertising and the Ulez scheme, as well as £2.7bn in government grants in 2024-25.

A single Tube journey in London costs from £2.50 to £3.80 using Oyster or contactless, depending on the travel zone and whether it is at a peak or off-peak time.

Tube fares are capped at £8.90 a day for zone 1 and £16.30 a day for zones 1 to 6. The cap for zones 1 to 6 is £16.30 a day and £81.60 for a week.

Cash is not accepted on London's buses or trams, where fares start at £1.75 and are capped at £5.25 a day for adults.

Earlier this month, the House of Commons Transport Committee proposed that everyone aged under 22 in England should be given a free bus pass to help them get into work and education.

Campaigners, including Fare Free London, are urging regional authorities and the national government to extend this proposal to all age groups on all forms of public transport. The group says that a complete restructure of TfL is needed but that capital cities like Tallinn in Estonia and Belgrade in Serbia have shown it is possible.

Simon Pirani, who sits on the organising group of Fare Free London, said free public transport in London would stimulate the economy, reduce inequality and social isolation, and assist with reducing car usage. He said: "In London, the high level of fares is hitting people across all age groups in terms of being able to travel to find work, travelling to and from work and in terms of social isolation. We need a complete rethink about how the transport system is paid for. London has a much better transport system compared to other UK cities, but it's very expensive."

Groups including those aged over 60, children under 18, students, disabled people and jobseekers are eligible for discounted public transport.

A TfL spokesperson said: "The mayor will set out what happens with fares but the government has been clear that the funding in the settlement is provided against an assumed scenario that overall TfL fares will rise by the value of RPI+1% for each year of the settlement."


Re: Three killed in Isle of Wight helicopter crash during flying lesson: 25 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364770/30626/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:23, 27th August 2025
 
Two were locals. RIP.

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364769/19566/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:10, 27th August 2025
 

I can remember the occasional trip on a paddler up and down the Dart in my very young youth.


I, too, have (rather vague) memories of such journeys. 

Re: Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364768/30631/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:04, 27th August 2025
 
eh? its still one piano making one noise

Re: Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364767/30631/46]
Posted by grahame at 09:52, 27th August 2025
 
But there's only one piano.....not tens of sonic devices all blaring at once

A piano has 88 "play" buttons ...

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364766/19566/47]
Posted by GBM at 09:30, 27th August 2025
 
Better safe than sorry.   I love the occasional Autumn trip on Waverley on the South Coast and have fond and poignant memories of passing under Tower Bridge into the Pool of London.   You will enjoy either.

Thank you, hoping to do so.
I can remember the occasional trip on a paddler up and down the Dart in my very young youth.

Re: Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364765/30631/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:15, 27th August 2025
 
But there's only one piano.....not tens of sonic devices all blaring at once

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364764/19566/47]
Posted by grahame at 09:03, 27th August 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
As grahame posted, our Thursday trip is unfortunately cancelled.
We were taking half the family on it (the other half being too far away to travel!).

Now looking at my Wife and I doing a September one from Southampton, or a Thames one in October (sort of mini break).

Better safe than sorry.   I love the occasional Autumn trip on Waverley on the South Coast and have fond and poignant memories of passing under Tower Bridge into the Pool of London.   You will enjoy either.

Re: Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364763/30631/46]
Posted by grahame at 08:59, 27th August 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Can we have a vote?

Now there's a thought on the Coffee Shop ... any member can start a poll ... ChrisB??

There are some ironies ... like the provision of pianos in some stations available for anyone who wants a tinkle ... and yet concern over noise.  And like quiet carriages which retain seemingly incessant announcements from train managers and catering crew to whom the "keep it quiet" rules don't seem to apply.

Re: Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364762/30631/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:47, 27th August 2025
 
Yep - this was so obviously going to be the result! 

Is t really necessary? Can we have a vote?

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364761/19566/47]
Posted by GBM at 08:42, 27th August 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
As grahame posted, our Thursday trip is unfortunately cancelled.
We were taking half the family on it (the other half being too far away to travel!).

Now looking at my Wife and I doing a September one from Southampton, or a Thames one in October (sort of mini break).

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364760/30628/3]
Posted by GBM at 08:22, 27th August 2025
 
Premium Bonds, yes.
Recommended by our financial advisor as a way of instant access to cash in times of need.
The occasional church or charity draw, yes. Depends on the charity though.
Last train home, probably (as PrestburyRoad says, it's down to GWR to get me home).
Horses, etc, no way.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [364759/489/12]
Posted by grahame at 08:08, 27th August 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

26/08/25 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 has been delayed at Bristol Temple Meads and is now 126 minutes late.

This is due to an obstruction on the track.

Efficient station work at Taunton and Exeter St Davids has reduced the delay to just under 40 minutes, on what (it must be said) is a generously slack set of timings that would lead to all sorts of questions if they were applied daytime.  Imagine the Day Riviera train leaving Paddington at 11:45 and arriving into Penzance at 19:55.

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364758/30628/3]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:43, 27th August 2025
 
I have Premium Bonds and am gradually building up my holding to hopefully get to the point where a monthly prize of some value is almost guaranteed!

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364757/30628/3]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 05:25, 27th August 2025
 
Worth checking your premium bonds online to make sure you haven’t missed any winnings over the years.

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364756/30628/3]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:58, 27th August 2025
 
I have previously gambled on relatively rare events, such as snow at Christmas, or election results.
I have now given up any/all gambling. I now consider gambling to be a social evil and feel that I should practice what I preach.

If I was in charge, I would prohibit ALL advertising of gambling.
I would also use the planning system to prohibit any increase in bookmakers shops and other premises in which gambling is available.
I would also return to the old policy whereby bookmakers premises had to be made uninviting, this included only permitting ONE TV screen, of limited size, hard flooring only without carpets, no upholstered furniture, and no food or drink other than tap water to be available.



Thankyou Mr Cromwell 

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [364755/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:55, 27th August 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

26/08/25 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 has been delayed at Bristol Temple Meads and is now 126 minutes late.

This is due to an obstruction on the track.

Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364754/30628/3]
Posted by broadgage at 03:23, 27th August 2025
 
I have previously gambled on relatively rare events, such as snow at Christmas, or election results.
I have now given up any/all gambling. I now consider gambling to be a social evil and feel that I should practice what I preach.

If I was in charge, I would prohibit ALL advertising of gambling.
I would also use the planning system to prohibit any increase in bookmakers shops and other premises in which gambling is available.
I would also return to the old policy whereby bookmakers premises had to be made uninviting, this included only permitting ONE TV screen, of limited size, hard flooring only without carpets, no upholstered furniture, and no food or drink other than tap water to be available.


Transport for London asks 'nuisance' mobile users to wear headphones - Aug 2025
In "Transport for London" [364753/30631/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:24, 26th August 2025
 
From the BBC:



Transport for London (TfL) is targeting the "disruptive behaviour" of passengers who play music and make calls using mobile phone loudspeakers.

TfL said most bus and Tube travellers considered such behaviour "a nuisance" and that some even found the additional noise very stressful.

The new campaign follows TfL research that found 70% of 1,000 passengers surveyed said they found films, music and calls being played on loudspeakers to be a nuisance.

Posters urging passengers to use headphones or hands-free kits with their device will appear on the Elizabeth line from Tuesday and across other services from the autumn.

TfL said it can use its powers to enforce existing by-laws which ban the playing of music or watching content when it causes distress annoyance to others.

During the Monday morning rush hour BBC Radio London spoke to commuters, who backed the message of the campaign.

One said: "It should be banned, definitely. It is not polite to anyone else when you are sat on the Tube in the morning and someone is playing music. That's horrendous. It is not comfortable."

Another said: "Maybe someone might be working or they might be tired so yes I think it should be banned. I personally don't mind but I know that other people are a bit more mindful about that. I guess you have to respect what other people think."

A third commuter said: "Recently on a train there was a woman she was playing quite loud [music] and I was smiling to her trying to give the idea that not everyone could like that music. She didn't care."

Loudspeaker noise can be especially acute for those with heightened sensitivity, such as people with autism.

Emma Strain, TfL's customer director, told BBC Radio London that TfL by-laws prohibit playing music and streaming content out loud without permission. She added: "When our enforcement officers encounter someone doing this they usually ask the person to stop. Most people comply at that stage, but if someone refuses then further enforcement action can be taken, which might include them being asked to leave the service or the station, or being reported for possible prosecution."

The new posters will be accompanied by Instagram posts.

Passengers will also be asked to look up from their screens in case someone else needs their seat more, said TfL.



In February, a man was fined €200 (£172) for making a call on loudspeaker in a designated quiet area of a French train station. The man, named only as David, told French broadcaster BFM TV he was on a call with his sister at Nantes station when an employee from SNCF, the French railway company, approached him. He planned to appeal against the fine. The French Transport Code says those who use "sound devices or instruments" or "disturb the peace of others by noise" in areas used for public transport could face a fine.

It is believed the use of mobiles and other devices has increased on the Tube, as large sections of the network across central London now have 4G or 5G coverage.

Work is under way to expand coverage to major interchange stations such as Green Park and King's Cross St Pancras, and further sections of the Northern, Piccadilly, Jubilee and Victoria lines by the end of the year, TfL said.


Work is under way to expand coverage to major interchange stations such as Green Park and King's Cross St Pancras, and further sections of the Northern, Piccadilly, Jubilee and Victoria lines by the end of the year, TfL said.

So they are, sort of, making a rod for beating their own back? 


Re: Great Western Railway battery-powered train achieves distance record - August 2025
In "Across the West" [364752/30593/26]
Posted by JayMac at 21:54, 26th August 2025
Already liked by lympstone_commuter, PrestburyRoad, Mark A, Western Pathfinder
 
Some of the footage has a noticeable orange flicker reflecting from the interior surfaces of the train, looking for all the world like light escaping from a firebox.

That it's not just fogging the image rather rules out strong magnetic fields interfering with the camera's CCD - perhaps it's tongues of plasma licking the exterior of the train.

Mark

Was it not just the reflections from the very bright dot matrix displays in the carriages?

I like the plasma idea though. Good job they didn't hit 88mph. But think of how far they could've gone if they had 1.21 jigowatts (sic) of power. Great Scott!




Re: What would you gamble on. Horses, Cards, lottery, getting home at night?
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [364751/30628/3]
Posted by JayMac at 21:42, 26th August 2025
 
As well as the odd bandit, lottery, Omaze house draw, I do occasionally have a flutter on sport. But I couldn't tick the most relevant option for that as it mentions two 'sports' I would NEVER fund through gambling.

I have gambled on getting home by BEING ON the last train. My wager was far too much agreeable red win with friends in Taunton. I fell asleep and missed my stop. I wanted Bristol TM, I 'won' Birmingham NS. My 'prize' cost me a night in a hotel.

Re: Early Southampton train running late this week?
In "TransWilts line" [364750/30629/18]
Posted by JayMac at 21:37, 26th August 2025
Already liked by GBM, Witham Bobby
 
The early train is late.

I like that paradox. 

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364749/19566/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:34, 26th August 2025
 
Caledonian Canal.

Many more years ago (well, forty, to be exact) I hired a cabin cruiser for our family holiday on the Caledonian Canal, from Inverness to Fort William and back.

Two particular memories: me, steering a 'figure of eight' course in the middle of Loch Ness - simply because I was there, but to the consternation of my family, apparently - and two RAF Typhoon jets in tight formation hammering down the Great Glen at a very low level on an apparent training exercise, just over our heads.

CfN. 

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364748/19566/47]
Posted by Clan Line at 21:28, 26th August 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Some parts of Scotland just don't look right in nice sunny weather. This was from a cruise as we rounded the very North Western tip of Scotland - it was living up to the often used mis-pronunciation of its name. It certainly looked impressive !!

[The name Cape Wrath is derived from Old Norse hvarf ("turning point"), accordingly, wrath is pronounced /ˈræθ/ (a as in cat)]


A most unhappy fan !
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [364747/30630/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 21:09, 26th August 2025
 
My daughter went to Edinburgh for the day yesterday, from Newcastle. She got on her return service (TPE, Advance ticket), the train was very full then (X Country strike not helping ??). Some time before the train due to leave they shut the doors as the train was jam packed by this time. My daughter said there was one VERY upset, locked out, would-be passenger on the platform by her coach..............he was wearing a Newcastle shirt !!

Re: Paddle Steamer Waverley - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [364746/19566/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:59, 26th August 2025
 
Bay of Biscay. 

Many years ago (well, thirty, to be exact) I drove down to Southampton to meet the QE2. More specifically, to greet my future wife, who was an officer aboard her at that time.

They had apparently had an 'interesting time' crossing the Bay of Biscay.  I had 'somewhat privileged' access to the ship's engineer officers' area, well down below decks, where there was a piece of graph paper, hastily sellotaped to a bulkhead, showing the extreme degrees of list they had experienced. 

CfN. 

 
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