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1  All across the Great Western territory / Introductions and chat / Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025 on: June 13, 2025, 17:14:25

I was quite surprised it lasted in service as long as it did, I suspect it would have had a much earlier retirement without the Falklands losses.


She was used as the RN Cadet and Schools acquaint and accommodation as well as being used by the RN for training until recently, she sat on permanent mooring off of HMS Excellent (Whale Island)

As a Sea Cadet adult volunteer I have spent many weekends and week living onboard HMS Bristol, sad to see her go
I wouldn’t count any of the use after 1991 as actually ‘in service’ though.  In the 1970s there were a number of harbour training ships in the Portsmouth area, eg Diamond at Priddys Hard, (for Sultan and Collingwood engineering trainees), and IIRC ('if I recall/remember/read correctly') Rame Head was used by the cadets at Excellent (followed by Kent, and I’m sure we didn’t considered any of them in service... 

They were all commissioned warships just as much HMS Victory is to this day
2  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: London to Frankfurt and Geneva - direct trains from Eurostar? on: June 12, 2025, 20:55:57
Press release from Railfuture:

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Railfuture comments on Eurostar announcement. Planning new trains to Germany and Switzerland:

It looks as if Eurostar has finally decided to expand. The Eurostar 50 new trains order has been around for a while but without stated commitment to run from Britain.

The "concentrate in the core, high fares" strategy is fine in the short run if you have no wider economic objectives but it has opened up a plethora of open access proposals.

Perhaps the most significant result is for Eurostar to realise that they are best placed to expand with less barriers to entry than new entrants. The key is to do this fast enough to keep new entrants at bay. The announcement to add new routes from London to Germany and Switzerland is strategically significant in this respect.

Open access has, in this way, already served a purpose without even running a train. In strategic terms this is good. Railfuture welcomes this development but makes it clear that this still leaves scope for more services and more competition, particularly on the existing Paris route and to the largest air market from Britain, after Paris and Amsterdam, i.e. Spain.

Also, sooner or later, someone will realise that there are other cities in Britain that have a huge air market, More people travel from Manchester to Paris than from London to any city in Switzerland.

Railfuture contends that the timing and the economics are right for sustainable rail travel from Britain as is the market appetite.

Railfuture's suggested choice of preferred open access routes.

This is ambitious for obvious reasons against the present situation but far less so in market terms. It also makes the presumption that the current preoccupation with immigration and security will be eased, with new technology and EU» (European Union - about) technology.

This proposes two strategic stops en route here, Stratford in long haul fast services to take about 30% volume to ease St Pancras, and Ashford for the Kent catchment area with its propensity to travel to Continental Europe.

Stratford or in some case, Lille would largely replace St Pancras as the interchange point from NW England.

Draft list of contenders.

Eurostar's proposals plus;
Paris route competition

    London, Stratford - Paris (fast)
    London, Ashford - Calais, Lille, Paris
    London, Ashford - Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland Paris, Lyon. Delete Lyon, add Tours, Bordeaux
    Manchester, Crewe (Merseyside and North West hub), Rugby(West Midlands hub), Stratford - Lille, Paris (all with long platforms)


South of France and Spain route competition

    London, Stratford- Barcelona, Madrid (fast)
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Avignon, Marseille
    London, Ashford - Lyon, Montpellier, Perpignan, Barcelona. Delete Barcelona, possibly combined to Avignon


Add

    London, Ashford, Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland, LeMans, Nantes, with multiple service stops to provide frequency to CdG and Disneyland.


London, Ashford- Germany route competition

    London, Stratford - Hannover, Berlin (fast)
    London, Stratford - Brussels, Koln, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Zurich, Milan


Belgium, Netherlands route competition

    Manchester, Crewe, Rugby, Stratford - Lille, Antwerp, Rotterdam, Amsterdam


Nord Pas de Calais shuttle in cooperation on fares with SE High Speed and domestic Ashford - Calais, Lille

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Notes to editors:

Railfuture is the UK (United Kingdom)'s leading independent organisation campaigning for better rail services for both passengers and freight.

Railfuture's website can be found at: www.railfuture.org.uk

I believe it was always Eurostar ambition to expand its services further into Europe.   A few things that dented that ambition, Covid really hit Eurostar hard financially onto top of the cost of procuring the class 375's and to a lesser extent was initially the uncertainty of the impact of Brexit border controls.  The other part of the picture has been more and more high speed lines being linked up in Europe, they get on and build theirs while we procrastinate 

The full merger and rebranding of Thalys into Eurostar certainly underlines their ambition. 
3  All across the Great Western territory / Media about railways, and other means of transport / Re: Coldstream Guards making their way to Berwick from Kings Cross train station on: June 12, 2025, 19:06:05
In my opinion I don't there is anything wrong with having the rifles on display, don't think they would have had bullets in them though.
I agree, but am still surprised that the military authorities allowed this. I support HM forces and have no problem with such forces carrying weapons.

I rather think that the relevant military authorities actually 'arranged' this, rather than just 'allowing' it: it was a very big public relations event, after all.  Lips sealed



The paperwork and risk assessments for the movement of weapons is quite onerous.

But remember the armed forces regularly parade in the open public in Windsor and London.

It if it ever gets to the point where our armed forces are not allowed to march and parade in public will be the day I know for certain the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Oh they would have an armed civilian Police escort to protect the Guardsmen from ill intentioned members of the public, the armed forces do not have the powers of arrest other than civil arrest
4  All across the Great Western territory / Introductions and chat / Re: HMS Bristol: Last Falklands warship given send-off by veterans - 11 June 2025 on: June 12, 2025, 18:57:00

I was quite surprised it lasted in service as long as it did, I suspect it would have had a much earlier retirement without the Falklands losses.


She was used as the RN Cadet and Schools acquaint and accommodation as well as being used by the RN for training until recently, she sat on permanent mooring off of HMS Excellent (Whale Island)

As a Sea Cadet adult volunteer I have spent many weekends and week living onboard HMS Bristol, sad to see her go
5  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 on: June 09, 2025, 17:15:31
Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:45 09/06

Rapidly pushed out to 1400 & now 1500
 
National Rail reporting no Elizabeth Line services between Paddington-Heathrow/Reading......Advice seems to be to go via Waterloo.

Report in a local news paper https://www.sloughexpress.co.uk/news/traffic-and-travel/201654/major-disruption-on-london-paddington-to-reading-train-line-after-casualty-on-tracks.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawKz5whleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBYRnJvRkR2RzlQTXE5SURwAR7k8vmJj-al5-L4zohMl9WOPau7kOswUS93SrOABFN-7PQzBg3_My5mDdXnDw_aem_J2_-9E6iEUR1Ri7n9xWwOw#Echobox=1749471219

Casualty on the tracks at Hanwell station

6  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Railway History and related topics / Re: Telegraph wires on: June 09, 2025, 11:51:32
We may not have any wires but, just next to Wokingham station, we do still have a few poles. They had been hiding in the dense woodland that had been allowed to invade the slopes by the railway. As you can see, a lot of trees of similar girth were cut down and I was impressed that the chainsaw brigade could spot which ones were poles and leave them - even when camouflaged by ivy leaves.

Was there ever a siding or head shit there, these types of poles on the SR (Southern Railway / Southern Region / Scot Rail / Scottish Region (rather confusing - it depends on the context)) with only 2 insulators often had lighting on them, or it could have been an electricity supply for the local electricity company / board 

Exploiting the zoom effect in that photo, I can see more than by eye. For a start, the nearer pole is actually reinforced concrete, so might have won a game of scissors-paper-stone with a chainsaw. The two behind it do look round and wooden, though hard to see in detail. And why one has a ladder fixed to it, apparently wrapped in vegetation, who knows?

And while there's only the two running lines here (between the skew bridge in the picture and the footbridge the picture was taken from) in any of the old maps I've looked at, some time between the 1930s and 1960s the entry line for the goods yard at the station was extended into this section. There had always been an unused space for it under the footbridge, oddly.

The ladder would indicate lighting use

Poles for floodlighting usually had only two wires, possibly more in very extensive installations. If arc lamps were used there was usually a winch to lower the whole lighting unit to near ground level for attention, as this was needed frequently. For filament lamps, or later mercury lamps, a ladder was often provided for lamp replacement.

A few installations used series lighting, whereby special lamps of low voltage were used in series on a high voltage supply. Never popular in the UK (United Kingdom), more of a USA thing.

Typical UK railway siding / walkway light would have been enamelled metal lampshade.

I am so happy I no longer have to repair / maintain such lighting any longer  Grin
7  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Railway History and related topics / Re: Telegraph wires on: June 09, 2025, 09:59:08
We may not have any wires but, just next to Wokingham station, we do still have a few poles. They had been hiding in the dense woodland that had been allowed to invade the slopes by the railway. As you can see, a lot of trees of similar girth were cut down and I was impressed that the chainsaw brigade could spot which ones were poles and leave them - even when camouflaged by ivy leaves.

Was there ever a siding or head shit there, these types of poles on the SR (Southern Railway / Southern Region / Scot Rail / Scottish Region (rather confusing - it depends on the context)) with only 2 insulators often had lighting on them, or it could have been an electricity supply for the local electricity company / board 
8  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 on: June 05, 2025, 13:14:18
Burnham Station, according to the Bucks Free Press.


https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/25214998.burnham-station-bridge-lorry-crash-roof-ripped-off/

Would seem to have been a bit of sandwich  Grin Grin Grin
9  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Uber plan trains through The Chunnel on: June 04, 2025, 06:17:52
How are they going to deal with border formalities at Ebbsfleet?   

Uber will have to fund it.  The cost of border formalities is one of the main reasons why Eurostar are not using Ebbsfleet and Ashford


Gemini, and other contenders, are however asking the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) for access to Temple Mills depot, which is managed by Eurostar. This is also a question of limited space, and it's not clear yet much space can be made available and how this might constrain the umber of new services or operators.

Temple Mills will be the challenge to anything more than a few trains a day.  An option for a serious contender could be a new depot at Dagenham or make use of space at Dollands Moor 
10  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: 25th May 2025 - SWR Franchise expires and services Nationalised on: June 01, 2025, 18:35:31
GBR (Great British Railways) doesn't actually exist yet, so there won't have been anyone from GBR present

GBR does very much exist, it is just not a fully established as yet, 2026 / 27 is the plan for the establishment of GBR
11  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Staff benefits lost with nationalisation on: May 27, 2025, 09:01:09
From Railway World

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Spare a thought for those of us who will this weekend (25 May 2025) lose a major rail travel benefit as a result of South Western Railway (SWR» (South Western Railway - about)) becoming the first rail operator to be nationalised by the Labour Government.

Over the past five years a major benefit for me of working part-time for a FirstGroup company has been an annual allocation of cheap day rover tickets that are valid on any of the First rail operations and, importantly for me, SWR.

But the change of ownership at SWR means losing that valuable perk that comes with role as a Rail Replacement Coordinator, although it will continue to be available on First’s two other franchises, GWR (Great Western Railway) and Avanti, until they too are taken into the public sector.

Not so lucky are the many thousands of SWR staff, who will lose their entitlement to all of these Rover tickets as they have now become part of the public sector, and are no longer be employees of FirstGroup.

[snip]

After five years, I will bitterly miss the SWR Rovers that allowed me to begin longer distance trips with a cheap early morning journey to Waterloo, and it seems all the more regrettable when I realise that I will be back working for SWR next weekend (31 May 2025) on bus replacement duty!

This is nothing in comparison to the loss of travel facilities to new employees enjoyed by prior to privatisation
12  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Some thoughts and questions on the high finances of nationslisation on: May 26, 2025, 06:25:08
https://www.statista.com/statistics/305021/national-rail-revenue-passenger-fares-in-the-united-kingdom/

Annual Rail fare income back up to £10.3 billion last year.  Heidi Alaexander looks forward to the £150 million that she expects to be saved by Nationalisation in the press this morning. That's around 1.4%.  Whilst every penny counts, I can't help wondering if this is a lot of hype about a relatively small saving when fares have gone up - officially - by 4.6% this year and tweaks to things like advance fare allocations have, I would suspect, resulted in a somewhat greater increase.

On the other side, has anyone quantified the one off costs of Nationalisation and setting up GBR (Great British Railways), and how do they compare to the £150 million which is - however - an annual figure?  How much will the Nationalised GBR and TOCs (Train Operating Company) be paying to private companies to hire rolling stock next year?

What is not seen by the public are the hundreds of thousands if not millions of "wooden dollars" that move internally within the National Rail system, every "wooden dollar"  involves people and systems to move them around.

Over time the National rail system will operate more smoothly as it moves back to a vertically integrated management structure and away from a contractual one, an example will be engineering access outside of the timetable access agreed many years in advance, currently this shorter notice access can take weeks if not months to negotiate between NR» (Network Rail - home page) and a TOC with the TOC being paid compensation for "loss of profit". 
Also the fine tuning of the timetable will be simpler under GBR than the current contractual system

There are many benefits and savings to be gained with GBR, there will be some things that might NOT be as good under GBR but at the moment I cannot think of any ***(corrected form typo)


Wooden dollar -  "An internal dispute over costs, margins, allocations etc. that make no difference whatsoever to the real profits and costs - it's just an internal dispute cost eg Schedule 8.
13  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Station lighting hours on: May 22, 2025, 05:54:17
For a TOC (Train Operating Company) to switch all the platform lights off they need to close  the station with locked gates, the TOC has a legal responsibility regarding safety and security of station users (fare paying or not). 
Has this always been a requirement?  When I did an overnight trip in 2002, the FGW (First Great Western) (only intercity back then) stations were lit, Wessex were dark and Thames were lit.  This was before councils started switching off street lights overnight though so although I could not see the Wessex stations we passed through, I was still able to work out where we were.

There have been a number of assaults, accidents and general vandalism which has placed this on TOC, its not so much a mandated requirement as on based on risk assessment   
14  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Station lighting hours on: May 20, 2025, 06:52:12
About 20 years or so ago, when travelling on the Night Riviera most stations had their lights switched off when passing through in the early hours of the morning but recently I noticed that all stations now seen to be lit (although many towns now switch off street lights overnight).  Is everywhere now lit through the night or is lighting triggered by the approach of trains?

For a TOC (Train Operating Company) to switch all the platform lights off they need to close  the station with locked gates, the TOC has a legal responsibility regarding safety and security of station users (fare paying or not). 

The issue with dimmed platform lights which are motion activated is a passing train triggers the full power mode
15  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 on: May 11, 2025, 06:33:42
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ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)» has made it quite clear to NR» (Network Rail - home page) that working on a !live" railway is basically no longer permitted without very stringent control measures

Would it be a good idea if the Office of Rail and Road also had responsibility for regulation of road safety? It might, for example, encourage ORR to develop policies that minimise overall casualties, instead of deterring people from using rail and pushing them onto a more dangerous mode of transport.

The ORR regulate health and safety (eg 1974 Health and Safety at Work Act for workforce safety) for the entire mainline rail network in Britain, as well as London Underground, light rail, trams, and the heritage sector, were as for highways this duty lies with the H&S (Health and Safety) Executive
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