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« on: April 13, 2015, 20:52:13 »

Hearing it failed at Burnham tonight due to an issue with rear power car.

Read it left the rear coach and rear power car behind, and continued very late as a 1+7, terminating at Bristol Parkway 233 late.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 20:59:43 »

My fault for speed-reading the previous post, obviously, but I found myself wondering for a moment what the heck it was doing at Highbridge.  Embarrassed Tongue Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2015, 21:01:51 »

My fault for speed-reading the previous post, obviously, but I found myself wondering for a moment what the heck it was doing at Highbridge.  Embarrassed Tongue Roll Eyes

I get confused every time, forgetting about the Burnham near London, only remembering Burnham-on-SeaMud  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2015, 23:03:56 »

Yes and it caused chaos for hours - the stoppers (including the one I was on) had to run non-stop (not "fast" BTW ('by the way'), it was a crawl!) between Slough & Reading because the HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s had to be switched on to the relief lines to get around it.

Saw it there as we passed with the rear unit detached - then a few minutes later the truncated front section passed us going towards Reading. Don't know what they did with the back bit!
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2015, 23:24:27 »

The back bit was recovered by a class 57. One of the sleeper locos I assume,
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 09:59:33 »

From what I understand the breaks of the rear power car had locked on due to a ruptured break pipe, and could not be released. In the end they moved the powercar using a skate. I didn't know what a skate was, but apparently its a piece of apparatus with its own set of wheels that can lift a failed vehicle slightly off the tracks so it can be towed away, albeit at a reduced speed of 35mph it nonetheless clears the obstruction.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 10:18:11 »

The back bit was recovered by a class 57. One of the sleeper locos I assume,

I saw Tintagel Castle on the relief at about 18.00, about W.Drayton way, possibly acting as Thunderbird 5011 ?  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 12:11:56 »

My fault for speed-reading the previous post, obviously, but I found myself wondering for a moment what the heck it was doing at Highbridge.  Embarrassed Tongue Roll Eyes

Me too!
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 12:44:58 »

Still not clear why it took 3 hours to separate the rear power car form the rest of the train - would have thought that decision could have been made a lot sooner and the main front section delayed a lot less....!

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 17:32:48 »

Still not clear why it took 3 hours to separate the rear power car form the rest of the train - would have thought that decision could have been made a lot sooner and the main front section delayed a lot less....!



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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2015, 17:48:36 »

I am surprised a 1+7 was allowed to run as far as Bristol Parkway.  I'd have thought there might be rules preventing it through the tunnels on the Badminton line while in passenger service.

Given the train could only go forward it could not terminate at Reading and then go to Old Oak Common, but at Swindon and then ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) to St Philips Marsh?

Must have been a reason for why they did it the way they did, just looks strange on the face of it.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 18:11:38 »

I am surprised a 1+7 was allowed to run as far as Bristol Parkway.  I'd have thought there might be rules preventing it through the tunnels on the Badminton line while in passenger service.

Given the train could only go forward it could not terminate at Reading and then go to Old Oak Common, but at Swindon and then ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) to St Philips Marsh?

Must have been a reason for why they did it the way they did, just looks strange on the face of it.

If it had terminated at Swindon it'd still of had to go through to Bristol Parkway to get to SPM (St Philip's Marsh (Bristol depot)) (So it could go straight in), so presume just made sense just to run it right through to there.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2015, 19:16:52 »

I am surprised a 1+7 was allowed to run as far as Bristol Parkway.  I'd have thought there might be rules preventing it through the tunnels on the Badminton line while in passenger service.

Given the train could only go forward it could not terminate at Reading and then go to Old Oak Common, but at Swindon and then ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) to St Philips Marsh?

Must have been a reason for why they did it the way they did, just looks strange on the face of it.



Not really familiar with that route.  The only restrictions I'm aware of is Ledbury and Colwall tunnel on the Cotswold line where there's not enough clearance in the tunnel to open a slam door. 

With a rear power car detached you're just limited to a maximum of 100mph.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2015, 10:50:53 »

Not really familiar with that route.  The only restrictions I'm aware of is Ledbury and Colwall tunnel on the Cotswold line where there's not enough clearance in the tunnel to open a slam door. 
What are the restrictions in these tunnels?
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2015, 23:36:50 »

Not really familiar with that route.  The only restrictions I'm aware of is Ledbury and Colwall tunnel on the Cotswold line where there's not enough clearance in the tunnel to open a slam door. 
What are the restrictions in these tunnels?

I think a-driver's post covered it. A HST (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) set running on one power car wouldn't be allowed through the Ledbury or Colwall tunnels. Should there be an engine failure (or worse) you'd want to have the flexibility to get a set out of those tunnels in an emergency. If only one power car is working that wouldn't be possible.

I believe, but am open to correction, that similar emergency procedures are in place for the Severn Tunnel. A HST set, running in passenger service on one power car only, wouldn't be permitted to enter the Severn Tunnel.
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