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« Reply #135 on: December 21, 2016, 11:44:07 »
Quote from: ChrisB on December 21, 2016, 11:27:00
Theresa May has already kiboshed this idea, according to reports last night. At least for the time being.

I thought refusing to cross other trades picket lines was banned under the law these days? So can't be encouraged by the rail unions.

The law is the other way round.  A picketer (and the Union) is acting illegally if he/she/they ask someone who is not in the dispute (ie because they are employed by someone different such as a sub contractor) to not cross the picket.  The person who refuses to cross might of course be subject to whatever disciplinary procedure they would ordinarily be subject to if the didn't report for duty but I don't think that they would fall foul of any trade union law themselves.  The Trade Union laws are designed to limit the rights of pickets to prevent someone from crossing a picket not to force any individual to cross a picket line. 
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« Reply #136 on: December 21, 2016, 13:49:56 »
Quote from: ChrisB on December 21, 2016, 11:27:00
Theresa May has already kiboshed this idea, according to reports last night. At least for the time being.

I thought refusing to cross other trades picket lines was banned under the law these days? So can't be encouraged by the rail unions.

It is clear the actions suggested in that article were never going to happen.

Surely a complete coincidence that that article appeared in the Daily Telegraph?!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2016, 13:55:12 »
It is an easy mistake two tory MP▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context)'s says something is going to happen or something should happen and the Daily Telegraph assumes it will happen, because we all know that everything a couple of backbench MP's say will always be taken up by the government immediately even if it is complete fantasy.  That's right isn't it?
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« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2016, 18:23:42 »
Hmm. Roll Eyes   When they allegedly asked the army to run 'replacement rail services', I don't think they quite meant this:





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William Huskisson MP▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: Stop, Look, Listen.

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« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2016, 18:27:36 »
That there looks to be one of them new fangled tank engines .
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« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2016, 19:40:06 »
Quote from: Western Pathfinder on December 21, 2016, 18:27:36
That there looks to be one of them new fangled tank engines .
Yes, and 7ft gauge toboot..... Tongue
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« Reply #141 on: December 22, 2016, 07:49:12 »
If that's the Red Army I suspect certain elements of the RMT▸ (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers)/ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) will welcome them with open arms and bunches of flowers!  Wink
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« Reply #142 on: December 22, 2016, 08:02:13 »
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If that's the Red Army I suspect certain elements of the RMT▸ (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers)/ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) will welcome them with open arms and bunches of flowers!  Wink
I doubt if you are right, but it is irrelevant since the red army was dissolved in 1991.  I don't think its successor the Russian Army would be very welcome by anyone.
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« Reply #143 on: December 22, 2016, 09:35:42 »
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I doubt if you are right, but it is irrelevant since the red army was dissolved in 1991.  I don't think its successor the Russian Army would be very welcome by anyone.

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« Reply #144 on: December 23, 2016, 08:55:17 »
Blimey this ramps it up a bit! "Today comrades, we fight for the right to close the doors on the train......but tomorrow......"REVOLUTION!!!"  Grin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/22/rmt-union-baron-uses-kremlin-backed-tv-channel-call-overthrow/
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« Reply #145 on: December 23, 2016, 10:20:03 »
My attention has been brought to a discussion on Twitter - and elsewhere for all I know - which paints a slightly different picture of the situation.

This alternative view seems to have been publicised by a Southern ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) driver and can be briefly summarised as follows:

The DOO▸ (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) platform monitoring equipment fitted to the newer rolling stock produces very high quality in-cab images which can be used to support the assertion that the procedure is perfectly safe. The RMT▸ (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) are therefore being 'disingenuous' (AKA▸ ('also known as') lying) when claiming that driver operation of the doors is a general safety hazard. However the equipment fitted to the older Class 377 units has cabling & optics that are unable to provide images which would pass a safety inspection. If the RMT / ASLEF concentrated on this much more specific issue then they might very well have a case that would garner greater public support.

I do not know enough about this to draw a fully objective conclusion. Some of you might like to have a look here and pass an opinion.

 
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« Reply #146 on: December 23, 2016, 12:07:23 »
The images I saw on that twitter stream did not inspire confidence.  Are those the old ones or the new? 
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« Reply #147 on: December 23, 2016, 12:58:44 »
My assumption was the old (377s)
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« Reply #148 on: December 23, 2016, 14:53:37 »
My understanding is that the images are from one or more 377 units. If that is the case then I certainly wouldn't be able to see if it was safe to proceed.
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« Reply #149 on: December 23, 2016, 15:36:30 »
So GTR offer a half-way house?

Always a trained No 2 on a 377, but get their way on the other more modern stock. A No 2 in normal working rostered, but in time of disruption, they may run without until the rostered No 2 can join the service
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