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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2015, 21:09:34 »

Made page 3 of yesterday's Daily Telegraph, happy to scan the article and upload it if anyone would like to read it (when I'm back at work on Tuesday!)

Back at work Tuesday TG? Does this involve train travel ?

oo-er.....good point! I won't say which Tuesday until I check the News in the morning!  Undecided
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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2015, 21:39:37 »

Made page 3 of yesterday's Daily Telegraph, happy to scan the article and upload it if anyone would like to read it (when I'm back at work on Tuesday!)

Would that be this article?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11512929/Train-company-that-owns-real-life-Hogwarts-Express-suspended-from-railways-over-safety-concerns.html
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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2015, 09:03:01 »

That's the one!
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« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2015, 09:42:17 »

Made page 3 of yesterday's Daily Telegraph, happy to scan the article and upload it if anyone would like to read it (when I'm back at work on Tuesday!)

Would that be this article?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11512929/Train-company-that-owns-real-life-Hogwarts-Express-suspended-from-railways-over-safety-concerns.html

That's the one!

I am finding it very difficult to understand where the Telegraph is coming from editorially regarding Network Rail 2 weeks ago they wanted NR» (Network Rail - home page) in private hands to make the books balance there was not mention then about NR role in the safety of train operation and now the Telegraph have an article about the safe operation of a private enterprise operating on the National network
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« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2015, 12:05:49 »

You know ignorant journalists - they won't have realised those two points don't align
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« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2015, 13:14:50 »

You know ignorant journalists - they won't have realised those two points don't align

Probably why 'correspondent' (adjective) isn't heard so much nowadays then?

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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2015, 14:23:10 »

You know ignorant journalists - they won't have realised those two points don't align

Don't they? Why?
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« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2015, 19:02:37 »

You know ignorant journalists - they won't have realised those two points don't align

Don't they? Why?

They only need to fill space at a price that doesn't frighten their advertisers or proprietors.  Opinions are swiftly given and forgotten as is noted frequently on this board.
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« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2015, 19:44:20 »

Sorry, perhaps I was too terse. What I meant to ask was: What are the points, and why don't they align?
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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2015, 10:48:57 »

I am finding it very difficult to understand where the Telegraph is coming from editorially regarding Network Rail 2 weeks ago they wanted NR» (Network Rail - home page) in private hands to make the books balance there was not mention then about NR role in the safety of train operation and now the Telegraph have an article about the safe operation of a private enterprise operating on the National network
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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2015, 10:55:00 »

Now you've gone and mistaken 'repeating' for 'explaining'!
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« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2015, 11:00:44 »

I am finding it very difficult to understand where the Telegraph is coming from editorially regarding Network Rail 2 weeks ago they wanted NR» (Network Rail - home page) in private hands to make the books balance there was not mention then about NR role in the safety of train operation and now the Telegraph have an article about the safe operation of a private enterprise operating on the National network

Those two points, and I can see the discrepancy?
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« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2015, 19:41:06 »

Network Rail aren't the safety regulator for the rail network, that responsibility lies with the Office of Rail Regulation (ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)) under the Railways and Other Guided Transport Systems (Safety) Regulations 2006 (ROGS), which is subordinated from the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. This gives the ORR to the power to bring prosecutions for breaches of safety on the railways rather than the Health and Safety Executive (HSE (Health and Safety Executive)).

I'd be pretty confident that the ORR are investigating this matter.

Network Rail of course have a duty to ensure their assets are used in a safe manner and if they have concerns are within their rights, under the terms of Track Access Contracts, to suspend a Train Operator from access to all or part of the network. The rules are the same whether that's a franchised TOC (Train Operating Company), freight operator, open access operator, or charter company.

This isn't the first time West Coast Railways have been suspended from operating on the network because Network Rail had concerns about WCR operating in a safe manner. In August 2014 they suspended WCR's access (for steam locomotives) to the London North Eastern route following a lineside fire. The fire of itself wasn't the sole reason for the suspension, it was Network Rail's concerns over WCR's Safety Management Systems.

WCR, on being suspended, took the dispute to an Access Dispute Adjudication (ADA), being quite bullish in their claim and dismissive of NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s defence, seeking compensation for what they saw as an unjust punishment. WCR's claim was thoroughly disabused by the adjuducator.

My reading of the documents is that WCR's Safety Management Systems were sadly lacking, their attitude to Network Rail was combative rather than collaberative, and their chairman in particular came across as rather cavalier.

Read all about that dispute here:

http://www.accessdisputesrail.org/New%20ADC%20Web/Access%20Dispute%20Adjudications/ADA%20determinations.htm

It's ADA20 on that list. The .pdf on the left is the adjudicator's determination. The links on the right are the claim to the ADA by WCR, the responses from Network Rail in defence to that claim, the response by WCR to NR's defence, as well as case management directions from the adjudicator.

Fascinating reading.
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« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2015, 21:49:15 »

Slight correction to that BNM.  The ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) is now officially called the Office of Rail and Road Shocked
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2015, 22:16:16 »

Things have escalated by the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) http://railwayherald.com/uknews/orr-considers-revoking-wcr-safety-certificate

ORR looking at revoking the safety certificate
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