Marsh Barton Station

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[REVUpminster]

New plans though I have not found the detail plans on the portal.

“The proposed station will have two platforms, with the eastern and western platforms served by trains to Newton Abbot and Exeter, respectively. Each platform will be 124 metres in length, sufficient to accommodate trains formed of up to 5 cars, and will be 4m wide.”
Each platform will have a waiting shelter, 10m wide by 1.5m deep, containing 12 stainless steel seats with arm rests, and a perch rail for 4 passengers, as well as one ticket vending machine on each platform, located inside the waiting shelters.

Marsh Barton Station. 2 by Robert, on Flickr

Marsh Barton Station by Robert, on Flickr

[johnneyw]

From the local news:

https://www-devonlive-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.devonlive.com%2Fnews%2Fdevon-news%2Fmarsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046

[grahame]

From the local news:

https://www-devonlive-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.devonlive.com%2Fnews%2Fdevon-news%2Fmarsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046

That is a spectacular URL .... try https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046 without the tracking data 

Was I reading a big cost saving by having the bridge ramps in line with the section aross the railway rather than at right angles it, parallel with the track ... the saving being in reduced payments because the problem of having to build close alongside the main and only railway to South Devon and Cornwall is largely eliminated.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-barton-train-station-plans-4384046

[Bob_Blakey]

Hopefully this will now proceed without further delay. The only quibble I have is allowing private motor vehicle access to the station site - given it's principal raison d'être it should be accessible only on foot, by bicycle or a frequent Marsh Barton Trading Estate shuttle bus service preferably using electric or hybrid vehicles.

[martyjon]

Hopefully this will now proceed without further delay. The only quibble I have is allowing private motor vehicle access to the station site - given it's principal raison d'être it should be accessible only on foot, by bicycle or a frequent Marsh Barton Trading Estate shuttle bus service preferably using electric or hybrid vehicles.

What's the betting this will up and running before either Portway Parkway or Portishead ?

[grahame]

Hopefully this will now proceed without further delay. The only quibble I have is allowing private motor vehicle access to the station site - given it's principal raison d'être it should be accessible only on foot, by bicycle or a frequent Marsh Barton Trading Estate shuttle bus service preferably using electric or hybrid vehicles.

What's the betting this will up and running before either Portway Parkway or Portishead ?

You gave me an idea ... poll at http://www.passenger.chat/23856 . Just for fun.

[REVUpminster]

The annoying thing to me this is a Devon County Council (not Exeter where it is situated) proposal and can call on other funding that Torbay as a unitary authority cannot in regard to Edginswell.

[ellendune]

The annoying thing to me this is a Devon County Council (not Exeter where it is situated) proposal and can call on other funding that Torbay as a unitary authority cannot in regard to Edginswell.

I don't understand the issue here. 

Exeter is not a unitary and therefore is part of the area covered by Devon County Council.  Torbay is a Unitary and is therefore not part of the area covered by Devon County Council.

Torbay Council as a unitary local authority has the same access to government funds as Devon County Council.  What is the issue?

[REVUpminster]

The annoying thing to me this is a Devon County Council (not Exeter where it is situated) proposal and can call on other funding that Torbay as a unitary authority cannot in regard to Edginswell.

I don't understand the issue here. 

Exeter is not a unitary and therefore is part of the area covered by Devon County Council.  Torbay is a Unitary and is therefore not part of the area covered by Devon County Council.

Torbay Council as a unitary local authority has the same access to government funds as Devon County Council.  What is the issue?

This is what I was told on another site.

Devon County Council administrate transport infrastructure so the application will be applied by them rather than Exeter City Council. The same would have happened at Newcourt.

The scheme however is jointly funded by Devon County Council, Exeter City Council, Teignbridge District Council, East Devon District Council, and Mid Devon District Council. This is where being a unitary council is a handicap for Torbay (and Plymouth) as they can't call upon Devon County Council to give funding or request neighbouring council's under the Devon County Council umbrella to contribute to schemes.

And if that's right I am more annoyed because Torbay had to contribute a lot of money to the Kingskerswell By Pass which is wholly in Devon. Newton Abbot contributed a very small about and ensured there was only one lane in and out of Torbay while retaining all there access lanes at the roundabout.

[ellendune]

Devon County Council administrate transport infrastructure so the application will be applied by them rather than Exeter City Council. The same would have happened at Newcourt.

The scheme however is jointly funded by Devon County Council, Exeter City Council, Teignbridge District Council, East Devon District Council, and Mid Devon District Council. This is where being a unitary council is a handicap for Torbay (and Plymouth) as they can't call upon Devon County Council to give funding or request neighbouring council's under the Devon County Council umbrella to contribute to schemes.

And if that's right I am more annoyed because Torbay had to contribute a lot of money to the Kingskerswell By Pass which is wholly in Devon. Newton Abbot contributed a very small about and ensured there was only one lane in and out of Torbay while retaining all there access lanes at the roundabout.

Yes but Kingkerswell By Pass benefited Torbay since it improved access to Torbay (massively by road at least).  And Torbay gets both County and District funding (such as it is) from central government. They could still agree co-funding with Devon on other things. 

I am guessing that Devon have agreed with their district councils for a funding package for Devon Metro as a whole. 

The same issue arises in other areas where councils want to go it alone (North Somerset?) rather than join in with their neighbours (in that case as a combined authority). 

[southwest]

The annoying thing to me this is a Devon County Council (not Exeter where it is situated) proposal and can call on other funding that Torbay as a unitary authority cannot in regard to Edginswell.

I don't understand the issue here. 

Exeter is not a unitary and therefore is part of the area covered by Devon County Council.  Torbay is a Unitary and is therefore not part of the area covered by Devon County Council.

Torbay Council as a unitary local authority has the same access to government funds as Devon County Council.  What is the issue?

This is what I was told on another site.

Devon County Council administrate transport infrastructure so the application will be applied by them rather than Exeter City Council. The same would have happened at Newcourt.

The scheme however is jointly funded by Devon County Council, Exeter City Council, Teignbridge District Council, East Devon District Council, and Mid Devon District Council. This is where being a unitary council is a handicap for Torbay (and Plymouth) as they can't call upon Devon County Council to give funding or request neighbouring council's under the Devon County Council umbrella to contribute to schemes.

And if that's right I am more annoyed because Torbay had to contribute a lot of money to the Kingskerswell By Pass which is wholly in Devon. Newton Abbot contributed a very small about and ensured there was only one lane in and out of Torbay while retaining all there access lanes at the roundabout.

There is certainly more than one lane into and out of Torbay.   The only stupid idea was making the overpass at Penn Inn Roundabout one lane as often some don't follow the 50mph speed limit and drive up your backside!  Otherwise it works perfect fine, although it's very future proof limited (i.e not thinking much about its use in 10 or 20 years from now)

[REVUpminster]

It was reduced to one lane from two or it would not have got built. It only got built because there was a coalition government at the time and Adrian Saunders was the Torbay MP^▸ (Member of Parliament, or Mile Post (a method of measuring the railway in miles and chains from a starting point - usually London), depending on context) (libdem). The lanes at ground level were kept exactly as before so you can get to Torbay at ground level hindered by the traffic lights. Torbay was conned into paying a lot of money for one lane. Devon was looking after Newton Abbot.

[REVUpminster]

Just checking past applications and Marsh Barton station validated on 27 July has still not been approved. More visualisations, in September on the planning portal with some alterations to original.

old

Marsh Barton Station by Robert, on Flickr

New

Marsh Barton sept 2020 by Robert, on Flickr

[southwest]

Still the shelters won't be comfortable to sit in for your 30 minute wait, a Pagoda would be a better shelter  . This station is very much needed and will provide good connections to those working in the area taking strain off Exeter's congested roads. I wonder if Stagecoach will set up a bus service from the station to further parts of Matford/Marsh Barton as parts are quite a distance from the proposed station.


One point to note: Whilst the idea is to get this station done on the cheap, would it not have been a good idea to have used this opportunity to make a second passing loop on the Newton Abbot to Exeter stretch?

[REVUpminster]

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-barton-new-train-station-4782036

Plans approved with a view to open in December 2021.

The article also mentions Okehampton, Edginswell, Monkerton, and Cullompton.