XC HSTs

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[r james]

Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers???    Maybe GC^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) sets if things change for them???

Why did they report that Bombardier had now planned to complete the work, if the leasing company had declined it?  Surely the leasing company have had sufficient time to oppose this, since the franchise agreement was made?

New seat covers will be a bonus, as some are starting to look a bit shabby now. 

[Conner]

Bombardier have supposedly forbidden Cross Country to remove the shop, unless they put it back in at the end of the lease/franchise.

[r james]

Thats stupid though, as surely the future operator of XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) will require the same if not more seating space, so putting the shop back will not really be the best option? 

[devon_metro]

What I believe is happening:

current shop is being replaced for bicycle and luggage space, meanwhile the bike spaces in the quiet carriage are to house a new catering base.

[Btline]

As  Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap).

Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers???    Maybe GC^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) sets if things change for them???

Interesting idea. Out of interest, does anybody know how many more Class 43 and mark 3s there are left?

[Conner]

As  Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap).

Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers???    Maybe GC^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) sets if things change for them???

Interesting idea. Out of interest, does anybody know how many more Class 43 and mark 3s there are left?

I actually quite like Voyager compared to Richmond or Chapman seats.

There are exactly 0 Class 43's left.

[smithy]

As  Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap).

they are rubbish because it is a bombardier made train,take 170's they absolute cr@p and being adtranz/bombardier they were done on the cheap and were designed to fall apart and not last long.
i am in no doubt the 172's will have the same design charecteristics and probably the same toilet type smell in all carriages.

[r james]

If XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) were to take on say GCs^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), do they feature the same number of carrages?  Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers! 

[Btline]

If XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) were to take on say GCs^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), do they feature the same number of carrages?  Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers! 

It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings.

I think GC have 8/9 carriages.

[devon_metro]

If XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) were to take on say GCs^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), do they feature the same number of carrages?  Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers! 

It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings.

I think GC have 8/9 carriages.

Not per train!

Its 6 per train I think

[Btline]

If XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) were to take on say GCs^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), do they feature the same number of carrages?  Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers! 

It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings.

I think GC have 8/9 carriages.

Not per train!

Its 6 per train I think

That's low.

A waste of Class 43s? Perhaps the 180s will fill the gap!

Shame they didn't build more 180s, everyone wants them. Must be the second most popular form of stock!

[r james]

Its a shame they didnt build more class 43s too!! 

Would the GC^» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) be reliable though for XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)), as GC don't seem to have had much luck??  More double voyagers would also be an added bonus.

Then maybe 180s to replace the 2 car 170s...... oks, now I am definetly dreaming!!

If EMT^» (East Midlands Trains - about) receive the additional 3 Pionners / Meridians from Hull Trains, wouldnt that free up an additional HST set?

[devon_metro]

Yes, its going to FGW^▸ (First Great Western)

[Btline]

Going to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) who are then going to loose 3 180s.

A loss, in my opinion, esp when the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) keep failing and the Cotswold Line gets a Thames Turbo!

[r james]

Surely 3 meridians will release more than one HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))?