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« Reply #270 on: August 04, 2023, 07:39:48 »

My perception of the latest overtime ban by ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) is that as far as GWR (Great Western Railway) at least is concerned, whilst it's causing a few dozen cancellations/alterations each day the overall effect is pretty minimal?

90 or so today.

GWR proclaiming a good service however!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #271 on: August 04, 2023, 07:47:35 »

My perception of the latest overtime ban by ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) is that as far as GWR (Great Western Railway) at least is concerned, whilst it's causing a few dozen cancellations/alterations each day the overall effect is pretty minimal?
If you are using the Cancellations and Other Train Service Updates listed on Journeycheck to judge how effective the overtime ban has been on bringing disruption, then yes it doesn’t look too bad.

However passenger experience on the trains this week, at certain times and on certain routes, would show that the overtime ban has been effective, particularly on local routes. A colleague has had real challenges getting into work this week with services cancelled every day this week during the morning rush hour.

Some SW semifasts have also been cancelled this week putting extra strain on the already very busy WoE line.

Today looks particularly grim, despite as you say GWR proclaiming a good service. Not if the train you are planning to travel on is cancelled it isn’t.
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« Reply #272 on: August 04, 2023, 08:25:12 »

Today looks particularly grim, despite as you say GWR (Great Western Railway) proclaiming a good service. Not if the train you are planning to travel on is cancelled it isn’t.

I was planning to take the 09:10 today at the start of a series of "Staycation" days out. Next train in that direction - 11:31 and I wouldn't get to my planned destination until three hours after my plan.

As I drove to Trowbridge the other evening, I listened to an interview with a marketing Guru who had set up his own agency, and he was explaining why he did not accept tobacco companies, even if they pleaded. "I would not promote a product I would not encourage my children to use" he said.  And the approach is right.  I find it increasingly difficult to persuade people to use / try the train.

I was in Bradford-on-Avon yesterday, with a none-transport initiative.  I drove ... and while I waited ("come back in 2 hours" type appointment) I walked up to the canalside tea room and bumped into a Facebook friend. "Did you come by bus or train, or cycle".   No - I drove; family lifts involved and I was not going to put the family through the sparse services with none-connecting services along the way.  B-o-A was a gridlock, and I only found a parking space in the third car park tried (and then it was the last space!) - so it's not as if we're still running on sparse Covid travel.

And why was I listening to the radio in my car one the way to Trowbridge?  I could have caught be bus down, and would have waited for the 20:12 train back after the meeting finished at 19:15.    But waiting to 21:22 - over 2 hours after the end of the meeting - was not on, and the 20:12 train had been cancelled because GWR once again had no staff.

GWR may talk of a good service.  It may be good for their shareholders, and for perhaps for passengers on frequent services, but it's awful to the extent of being useless even to the railway's greatest fans where the potential passengers plan their days and have to rely on a specific train.
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« Reply #273 on: August 04, 2023, 08:38:53 »

+1 to all that and sorry its disrupted your plans.

Also, I was thinking about the difference between a glance at the Coffeeshop's disruption map (looks this morning like artwork from a disturbed's child's therapy session) and the 'Signalbox' web site map of services (fairly orderly but with several orange/red symbols making their way patiently to their destinations).

The difference being that 'Signalbox' is showing only trains that are running and can't represent cancellations (or part cancellations for that matter) so is only showing part of the story.

If it's pulling GPS data, that'll be beyond its powers. A real time location map combined with deployment of a little pale grey 'Ghost train' symbol to mark a cancelled service would be one approach but this would become grossly inappropriate in the circumstances of a rail accident.

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« Reply #274 on: August 04, 2023, 11:06:28 »

Interesting, yet depressing, to hear the impact on real people this action is having. 
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« Reply #275 on: August 04, 2023, 15:19:59 »

Interesting, yet depressing, to hear the impact on real people this action is having. 

True, and all with nothing being achieved.
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« Reply #276 on: August 04, 2023, 15:40:45 »

True, and all with nothing being achieved.
You get the impression the government are prepared to sit this one out and let Starmer deal with it after the election.
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« Reply #277 on: August 05, 2023, 08:25:25 »

Thankfully services between London and Cardiff don't seem to be too badly affected today - perhaps prioritised with Wales v England in Cardiff later today?

(equally thankfully I am going by road today - the post match queuing for trains in Cardiff is not something I'd want to experience again - especially in the current circumstances - and it's raining!!!)
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« Reply #278 on: August 10, 2023, 11:57:39 »

Not sure this is the right place to post.
On journeycheck
06:00 London Paddington to Penzance due 11:40
06:00 London Paddington to Penzance due 11:40 will call additionally at Par.
This is due to a shortage of train crew
Sounds odd.  Can understand missing stops, but additional stops?
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« Reply #279 on: August 10, 2023, 12:39:05 »

It’ll be to allow drivers to change over.  Normally it would be one driver working it through from Taunton to Penzance, but there’s a lot of ‘mixing and matching’ this week especially. 

No fewer than six drivers have been allocated parts of that one diagram today. A recipe for disaster!
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« Reply #280 on: August 10, 2023, 14:09:25 »

It’ll be to allow drivers to change over.  Normally it would be one driver working it through from Taunton to Penzance, but there’s a lot of ‘mixing and matching’ this week especially. 

No fewer than six drivers have been allocated parts of that one diagram today. A recipe for disaster!

This is becoming the norm with diagramming these days. Back in the good old days, that service would have been worked by just two drivers with either a change at Exeter or Plymouth.  Nowadays, a driver changes can occur at Reading, Westbury, Taunton, Exeter, Newton Abbot, Plymouth or Par

A driver will hop off one train and work another 15 minutes later. Any slight delay and the problems are obvious. Barmy diagramming.
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« Reply #281 on: August 11, 2023, 15:43:21 »

RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) strikes announced as Saturdays 26 August and 2 September.
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« Reply #282 on: August 11, 2023, 16:03:13 »

RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) strikes announced as Saturdays 26 August and 2 September.

Too tempting a target for Bruvver Mick to ignore wasn't it?

More bullets in the feet.
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« Reply #283 on: August 11, 2023, 17:01:01 »

Barmy diagramming.

Yup!
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« Reply #284 on: August 11, 2023, 20:51:57 »

And it's Reading Rock Festival, though by the Saturday most revellers will have arrived. Dunno how many travel by train on that day?
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