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« on: June 24, 2008, 19:18:45 »
From the FGW▸ (First Great Western) website :

18:33 London Paddington to Oxford due 20:12
This train has run short formed with 3 carriages.This is due to an earlier train fault.

21:01 Oxford to London Paddington due 21:59
This train has run short formed with 3 carriages.This is due to an earlier train fault.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 08:50:19 »
A turbo is out again today (28/06/2008), but different reason given :

9:30 Oxford to London Paddington due 10:29
This train has been revised.This train will run short formed with 3 carriages.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.

11:21 London Paddington to Oxford due 12:21
This train has been revised.This train will run short formed with 3 carriages.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 12:25:06 »
How can a member of staff being unavailable result in a Turbo sub? Huh
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 12:27:08 »
Because they may be using a member of staff who doesn't sign a particular traction.

E.g. If Paddington train manager unavailable, then possible to get in a turbo and have a guard from Reading work it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 13:43:38 »
Quote from: Btline on June 28, 2008, 12:25:06
How can a member of staff being unavailable result in a Turbo sub? Huh

As well as potential knowledge of traction issues, don't forget turbos can run DOO▸ (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) (Driver Only Operated) between Oxford and Paddington, wheraes HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s or 180's need a Train Manager on ALL routes they operate over. Subbing a turbo on the Oxf-Pad's therefore releases a train manager who can cover other routes when there are shortages.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 18:36:15 »
Thanks for clarifying. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2008, 09:03:16 »
29/06/2008 :

08:42 London Paddington to Oxford due 09:51
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 09:30:35 »
Quote from: IndustryInsider on June 28, 2008, 13:43:38
Quote from: Btline on June 28, 2008, 12:25:06
How can a member of staff being unavailable result in a Turbo sub? Huh

As well as potential knowledge of traction issues, don't forget turbos can run DOO▸ (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) (Driver Only Operated) between Oxford and Paddington, wheraes HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s or 180's need a Train Manager on ALL routes they operate over. Subbing a turbo on the Oxf-Pad's therefore releases a train manager who can cover other routes when there are shortages.

So why do they have Train Managers on Turbos and what isn't done if the Train Manager is missing?
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 11:38:02 »
What about ticket checking as well!
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2008, 11:40:49 »
I'm sure they will live. How many TMs▸ (Train Manager, or Ticket Machine, or Temple Meads (Bristol), depending on context) actually do tickets anyway...

(ok, some do - but I can often guarantee I won't get checked on a FGW▸ (First Great Western) HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)), even if sat in the TGS!)
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 11:52:29 »
Quote from: Lee Fletcher on June 29, 2008, 09:03:16
29/06/2008 :

08:42 London Paddington to Oxford due 09:51
This train will run short formed with 3 carriages.

From my awesome new piece of software/kit:

Service: 11:38 Oxford to London Paddington on 29/06/2008 operated by fgw.
Details: This train will run short formed with 3 carriages.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 11:26:43 »
Quote from: Andy W on June 29, 2008, 09:30:35
Quote from: IndustryInsider on June 28, 2008, 13:43:38
As well as potential knowledge of traction issues, don't forget turbos can run DOO▸ (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) (Driver Only Operated) between Oxford and Paddington, wheraes HST▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))'s or 180's need a Train Manager on ALL routes they operate over. Subbing a turbo on the Oxf-Pad's therefore releases a train manager who can cover other routes when there are shortages.

So why do they have Train Managers on Turbos and what isn't done if the Train Manager is missing?

On Driver Only operated routes (DOO), there are no train managers - you may have a conductor or senior conductor on-board, but their only responsibilities concern 'customer service' - i.e. Ticket checks and providing information. The Driver is responsible for despatch of his train, whether using mirrors, CCTV▸ (Closed Circuit Tele-Vision), or with the help of station staff.

On non-DOO routes then the train manager/conductor/senior conductor (depending what part of the organisation is involved!) they are responsible for train despatch using buzzer codes to the driver.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 17:10:22 »
Right. Why don't we just call "conductors" and "train managers" by their proper name: "guard."

Then, to simplify things, the guard does despatch and tickets. The driver drives!

If necessary, additional "ticket inspectors" (NOT "revenue protection officers" or other stupid names) can supplement ticket checking and allow the guard to concentrate on despatch and safety at busy times.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2008, 17:13:26 »
Ticket inspector suggests simply checking tickets though, whereas RPIs▸ (Revenue Protection Inspector, or Retail Price Index, depending on context) check for valid tickets and dish out penalty fares where required.
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2008, 01:39:18 »
Don't get me started on stupid names for railway jobs!  Wink
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