Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion

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[IndustryInsider]

Yes, the second track over the Engine & Carriage Line (a.k.a. Old Oak Common Flyover) is being reinstated.  More details are available here:  http://74f85f59f39b887b696f-ab656259048fb93837ecc0ecbcf0c557.r23.cf3.rackcdn.com/assets/library/document/0/original/0025_r_w2canalway1.pdf

[SandTEngineer]

Yes, the second track over the Engine & Carriage Line (a.k.a. Old Oak Common Flyover) is being reinstated.  More details are available here:  http://74f85f59f39b887b696f-ab656259048fb93837ecc0ecbcf0c557.r23.cf3.rackcdn.com/assets/library/document/0/original/0025_r_w2canalway1.pdf

Are you sure that document is not out of date II as none of the signalling plans I have seen and are using show a second track over the flyover?  The Crossrail depot access lines (two) drop down from flyover level behind the flyover on the Up side to formation level outside the Sainsbury superstore site.

[IndustryInsider]

Could well be out of date SandTEngineer - just found by a search on the Crossrail website and there's no sign of work to reinstate the track actually on the flyover yet and the layout you describe is probably more fit for purpose.  Apologies if incorrect.

[ellendune]

Could well be out of date SandTEngineer - just found by a search on the Crossrail website and there's no sign of work to reinstate the track actually on the flyover yet and the layout you describe is probably more fit for purpose.  Apologies if incorrect.

From what I saw on Thursday, it certainly looks like the second track is being reinstated.  The new double track OLE^▸ (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE") suggests that. 

[IndustryInsider]

From what I saw on Thursday, it certainly looks like the second track is being reinstated.  The new double track OLE^▸ (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE") suggests that. 

This post on a different forum sums up what is happening I think, and it tallies with S&TEngineers description.

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=109945

Sp, no additional track over the flyover, but two additional tracks leading up to it and then down the other side on the north side of the running lines.

[ellendune]

Ah I see now - that makes sense. 

[SandTEngineer]

Here is a drawing that shows the new layout in the OOC^▸ (Old Oak Common (depot)) Flyover area (as proposed in 2013).  Blue lines are Crossrail works and Pink lines are IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project. This will offer more capacity on routes, save money, give a consistent and safe service and meet customer requirements. Intended to replace HSTs.) works:

[Timmer]

Success, I think.

I explained the reasons for wanting the TT in at least pdf format, and Andy McRae (Senior Publications Manager) responded -

OK Chris - noted. I'll chat to my team and work out the best way of tackling this.

Thanks again for your feedback.

Any news on this Chris?

[ChrisB]

I spoke with my colleagues yesterday in the web team and they promised to deal with it right away.
I'll chase again.

[TonyK]

The Prime Minister and that other fellow were looking around at where the money has gone.



Source is the Prime Minister's twitter feed

[Timmer]

I spoke with my colleagues yesterday in the web team and they promised to deal with it right away.
I'll chase again.

Thanks Chris. Sounds promising.

[SandTEngineer]

Further to my earlier post above.  Here is the complete final layout between Old Oak Common and Paddington (as planned in 2013).

[autotank]

Thanks SandTEngineer. The above seems to indicate that platform 13 will go in favour of a longer platform 12. Do you know anymore details? This is a development I wasn't aware of.

[SandTEngineer]

Thanks SandTEngineer. The above seems to indicate that platform 13 will go in favour of a longer platform 12. Do you know anymore details? This is a development I wasn't aware of.

Yes Platform No.13 goes and is replaced by an extended Platform No.12 which is achieved by eliminating the existing points half way down Platform No.11.  I understand that once Crossrail services start that Platform No.14 will only be used as a last resort as there wont be many (if any) timetabled surburban services left at that time 

[IndustryInsider]

Just beaten to it, but to confirm SandTEngineer's post, the thinking being that there will be a reduction in the number of 2-6 carriage length trains after electrification and Crossrail, so if you were to combine platforms 12 and 13 you would then have full length (10-car IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project. This will offer more capacity on routes, save money, give a consistent and safe service and meet customer requirements. Intended to replace HSTs.)) platforms 11 and 12 and a shorter platform 14 instead of short platforms 11*, 12, 13, and 14.  Makes sense to me.

* Platform 11 is split into two sections and can be used as one long platform, but is very rarely used as such because access to and from platform 12 is then blocked.