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« on: January 22, 2011, 08:55:55 »
We've talked about it before ...

Quote from: John R on January 03, 2009, 19:33:57
http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2009/01/alstom_boss_says_world_should.html#more

Interesting slant from Alstom on buying Chinese. Which I would have a lot of sympathy for, were it not for the fact that the French don't exactly have an open market when prestigious contracts are being let.   

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90778/7266470.html

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2011, 10:14:12 »
Question is.... who for?

The article mentions use from 'northern England to London' and links the Polaris trains with Alliance Rail. But that only appears to cover one of the four propsed deals.

Could we really see open access next year on the WCML▸ (West Coast Main Line) with GNWR and another open access operator on the ECML▸ (East Coast Main Line) with Alliance Rail's re-boot of GNER▸ (Great North Eastern Railways)?

As for the other deals then one can only assume that as Deutsche Bahn's Arriva Group are mentioned then it is to their TOCs▸ (Train Operating Company) that any subsequent Chinese built trains are headed. There's also Grand Central who have voiced plans to buy Chinese, but no orders have yet been placed.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2011, 10:57:21 »
From what has been posted on other rail forums it does seem like alliance rail are looking at purchasing some BI-mode polaris trains which are basically another version of the proposed IEP▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project. This will offer more capacity on routes, save money, give a consistent and safe service and meet customer requirements. Intended to replace HSTs.).

Grand central are rumoured to also be interested in the polaris.

If these rumours etc are true then it could get CSRE the  EU» (European Union - about) train manufacturing  market.


Wasn't there talk by CSRE that they would open a factory in the UK▸ (United Kingdom) if they received some train orders?

 Maybe crosscountry could be interested buying some of these locomotives to work with some additonal MK3 stock
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2011, 11:06:51 »
Not sure there's much spare serviceable Mk3 stock left. If DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about)/Arriva CrossCountry were in the market for some Polarises (Polari?) I'd hope they would go for the designed 2+6/7/8 and leave the buffet/kitchen area alone!!!

Polaris data sheet can be found here.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 13:32:23 »
Quote from: bignosemac on January 22, 2011, 11:06:51
Polari?

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http://www.chris-d.net/polari/
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 14:29:13 »
OK, maybe not Polari, TJ.

As ever, your pedantry knows no bounds.  Wink Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 15:23:34 »
Wonder how long it take to get all the various approvals?

Be very surprised even a coule of sets were impoted shorly that they would be ready before mid 2012 at the earliest. Do thay have to get both type and route approval?
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 19:38:51 »
Quote from: bignosemac on January 22, 2011, 14:29:13
As ever, your pedantry knows no bounds.

I feel obliged to point out that I wasn't actually being pedantic. Tongue
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