WILL HE NEED TO USE THE SPEAKER SYSTEM AS HE CAN BE VERY LOUD? 

(Sorry got into character when writing this.   )

Would be great to hear some recordings....or You Tube clips from the Station of these being done :-)

Major Emergency Engineering at London Waterloo affecting the South West Trains Network Sunday 14th April 2013

A rail defect was identified between London Waterloo and Vauxhall on Thursday afternoon. The nature of the defect has meant that a temporary speed restriction has had to be imposed which has resulted in a reduction to the number of trains we are able to run across the affected area.

Our engineers have been conducting regular inspections of the area and have advised us that the defect needs to be repaired as quickly as possible, before it deteriorates. We have looked at all possible options to carry out the work in a manner that will have the least amount of impact to our customers.

The engineering team will require 16 hours of access to the track to allow them to remove a rail crossing and replace it with a brand new one. The access required by the engineers will mean that platforms 1 to 10 at London Waterloo will be out of use on Sunday 14th April until approximately 16:00hrs. A very limited train service will run out of London Waterloo as a result of this work.

Please see below for a summary of train services affected by this work. Check here for  engineering improvement work that is already planned to take place aound the network.

West of England

Crewkerne to London Waterloo services at 22 minutes past each hour will terminate at Woking. The 13:22 service from Crewkerne will be the first train to run through to London Waterloo (as will all subsequent departures from Crewkerne).

London Waterloo to Crewkerne services will start from Woking (at 46 minutes past each hour). The 17:15 service will be the first train to start from London Waterloo (as will all subsequent departures).

A train service will run between London Waterloo and Woking in both directions however we expect these services to be very busy.

Suburban - Ewell West

Buses will replace trains between Ewell West and Wimbledon until approximately 15:00. Customers should change at Wimbledon for an onward train service. The times of the first trains to run between Ewell West and London Waterloo are listed below:

14:50 Ewell West to Waterloo
16:32 London Waterloo to Ewell West

All subsequent departures after these times will be trains services (not buses).

Until approximately 15:00 Buses will depart Wimbledon bound for Ewell West at 2 & 32 minutes past each hour, and Ewell West bound for Wimbledon at 19 & 49 minutes past each hour.

Suburban - Guildford (via Cobham)

London Waterloo to Guildford (via Cobham) services will start from Surbiton (at 32 minutes past each hour). The 17:00 service will be the first train to start from London Waterloo (as will all subsequent trains).

Guildford to London Waterloo (via Cobham) services at 50 minutes past each hour will terminate at Surbiton. The 14:50 service from Guildford will be the first train to run though to London Waterloo (as will all subsequent departures). A train service will run between Surbiton and London Waterloo in both directions however we expect these services to be very busy.

Suburban - Chessington South

London Waterloo to Chessington South services will start from Wimbledon (at 10 & 40 minutes past each hour). The 16:51 service will be the first train to start from London Waterloo (as will all subsequent departures).

Chessington South to London Waterloo services at 10 & 40 minutes past each hour will terminate at Wimbledon. The 15:10 service will be the first train to run through to London Waterloo (as will all subsequent departures).

A train service will run between London Waterloo and Wimbledon in both directions however we expect these services to be very busy.

Windsor & Eton Riverside

An hourly service will run between London Waterloo and Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions until mid-afternoon. Trains will depart London Waterloo at 44 minutes past each hour. Trains will depart Windsor & Eton Riverside at 01 minute past each hour. A twice hourly service will resume between London Waterloo and Windsor & Eton Riverside by mid-afternoon.

Kingston

Kingston to London Waterloo services at 11 minutes past each hour will not run until 15:11 (and all subsequent trains). Alternative train services are available from Kingston to London Waterloo via Richmond.

London Waterloo to Kingston services at 56 minutes past each hour will not run until 15:56 (and all subsequent trains). Alternative train services are available from London Waterloo to Kingston via Richmond.

We are sorry for the inconvenience the additional work this Sunday will cause  while you travel on our network. We are working to repair the fault at the earliest possible opportunity to enable us to deliver our full service again from Monday 15th April.

You might like to correct the date in the topic heading.

Or next Sunday - the London Marathon....

Work was due to take place on 13/14 April to repair a rail defect in the Waterloo area. This was a major piece of work that needed around 16 hours to complete and this work had been scheduled to take place at the earliest possible opportunity.

Unfortunately due to a problem with the technical equipment being used by our external contractors carrying the work, the work could not be completed over the weekend. These technical equipment problems were only uncovered as the work commenced.

We are extremely disappointed that this work could not take place as planned and we are following this up with our external contractors as a matter of priority.

The work is now being planned to take place at the next possible opportunity and to ensure the least amount of impact on our customers.  The work is currently scheduled to take place over the weekend of 20/21 April.  We will confirm more details about the impact this major engineering work will have on our services early next week.  In the meantime, our dedicated team of engineers will continue to monitor the area to enable us to continue to deliver our normal train service.

At this stage, we are not expecting this to have any impact on any of our services over the coming week, and we are planning to run our full train service on Monday 15 April.   We will keep you informed of any further changes needed to facilitate this major engineering work.

Work was due to take place on 13/14 April to repair a rail defect in the Waterloo area. This was a major piece of work that needed around 16 hours to complete.

Unfortunately due to a problem with the technical equipment supplied by our external contractors, the work could not be completed on 13/14 April.

The work has now been planned to take place on Sunday 21st April. Customers with advance tickets that are booked to travel on specific trains are able to use other services as  fare restrictions have been lifted on Sunday 21 April.  A normal Saturday train service will run on Saturday 20th April.

The access required by the engineers will mean that platforms 1 to 10 at London Waterloo will be out of use on Sunday 21 April until approximately 16:00hrs.

A very limited train service will run out of London Waterloo as a result of this work.

Once the work has been completed at 1600hrs a full Sunday service will operate with some trains formed of more coaches than normal.

This work will be taking place in addition to our regular programme of engineering improvement work. Please check here to see how these works may also affect your journey.

London Marathon Participant / Spectator Advice

We strongly advise customers travelling on our services to check before you travel and allow more time to complete your journey. This is due to a significant reduction in the number of trains we can run into and out of London Waterloo until 1600hrs due to the work taking place; we expect all services running into London Waterloo will be extremely busy.

Alterations to your Train Service

Please use the expandable links below for more details about the service on Sunday 21 April. Please also note that our timetable is being amended to reflect these alterations and this information is currently not showing in the online Journey Planners. This will be available on Thursday 18 April.

Network Rail and SWT have officially announced the start and schedule for the planned work to increase capacity at Waterloo. They have headlined it as costing ^800 million, which sounds a lot for stretching platforms 1-4 a bit and reopening 21-24. I'm sure they are counting the Class 707 order in that, and probably other things too. I'm also a bit puzzled why it would take nearly two years (ending December 2018) to make Waterloo International operation again, unless they are going to do a lot to the track.

I heard this is causing problems for GWR as a planned diversion into Waterloo might not be able to happen.  Last I heard was a rumour they were investigating the possibility of HST's into Victoria!

The BBC's report in this case confuses things somewhat - I can't see platforms 1-4 serving Reading! But NR's statement...

Council approves plans to convert Grimshaw's former Eurostar terminal into shops
2 November, 2016 By Colin Marrs

Corstorphine + Wright has won permission to transform part of the former Eurostar terminal at Waterloo into shops, restaurants, cafés and bars – after Historic England declined to consider the Grimshaw structure for listing

London Borough of Lambeth’s planning committee last night (1 November) gave the thumbs-up to the new scheme to overhaul the former international departures and arrivals lounges, creating 12,444m² of new facilities.

Work has already started on revamping the five platforms within the disused station - the landmark building with its lattice-work arches which sits above the proposed shopping and leisure complex - to increase the number of domestic train services into Waterloo.

In May the 20th Century Society applied for the entire structure to be Grade II listed, but this option has been rejected by Historic England.
...

It was announced at the beginning of July that platform 10 will be closed as well as 1-9. Supposedly this is to make sure the work can be finished in the time allowed. So, whatever you had been expecting, expect worse!

Another news item is that for the last (short Tue-Fri) working week of August, while London Bridge area is closed, Southeastern are running a 2 tph Ramsgate service into P21/22.

Most of the material produced on this upgrade (both material and immaterial) has the logos of NR, SWT, and "funded by UK government". However, NR's animated video showing what they are doing (on SWT's upgrade site) ends with "in partnership with" LCR as well as the other two. Do they still have some form of ownership of the erstwhile international terminal?

There appears to be some diversions of SWT West of England services into Reading. I've just spotted on Open Train Times a 1Z26 which has gone via Mortimer into P3 at RDG. It's not showing up on RTT but on LDB there's a 0945 arrival at Reading from Exeter St David's via Salisbury and Basingstoke. The next departure that way showing on LDB is a 1002 from RDG to Salisbury. That's then followed by a 1011 arrival from EXD departing back there at 1047. None of these currently appear on RTT at RDG.

That engineering train is in P10, isn't it? The very one that (with its approach line(s)) was made part of the possession by a late change in July? So, if there was something in the plans or instructions to signallers that wasn't changed then, so a train leaving P11 could use the line to P10 ...

Looking at the pictures, it seems a possibility that the engineering train was longer than was expected, or it had been moved, and that the passenger train then collided sidewise where the lines converge.

I've been in and out of Waterloo half a dozen times recently and that train has been an almost permanent feature, at the current length.  The line it is on is within the possession until well beyond the point of impact.

It can be seen present, (either with the cab just at the platform end, or just beyond) in a number of online images and videos taken at different times, e.g. this from 8th Aug by Paul Bigland: http://PaulBigland.zenfolio.com/p671909530/e92a8b12d

Paul

But the engineering train shouldn't affect the signalling, should it? All track within the possession should be off limits, - I'm not sure whether that would involve screwdrivers and crocodile leads these days, but the effect should be the same. The issues concerns the boundary - all track entering the possession should appear "occupied" permanently, and be marked by sticky tape on the panel (or its soft equivalent on-screen).

Good news is that platforms 11 and 12 are back in use with just platform 13 closed.

That looks like some evidence of their having been two issues (as was reported on SWT's website yesterday morning), perhaps the points giving access to P13 from the P14 approach track are a separate fault?  P13 is now showing NOGO on the opentraintimes map, and as you say P11 and P12 are seeing normal movements via yesterdays main incident site.

http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/wat

Paul

Slightly sad that the last days of the SWT franchise will be remembered for the blockade at Waterloo that will benefit the new franchise and not all the many good things that SWT have achieved over the years. Not saying they were perfect but it has been one of the better franchises.

I'm guessing you're not a member of the South Hampshire Rail User Group then?   

First Group must be relieved it didn't happen just after they'd taken over, as that would no doubt have been a difficult start from which to recover.

I'm guessing you're not a member of the South Hampshire Rail User Group then?   

I guess SHRUG will be wound down now, because he's been pushing the line that everything that ever goes wrong is down to SWT for years now. 

(I always assume there are very few members of SHRUG - and they don't deserve the coverage  they get.)

Obviously everything will be perfect again from Sunday, just like it was under BR...

Further points failures affecting Pl 13....

What ever happened to clipping, scotching and padlocking points in such circumstances?

I think that's what Paul meant by securing the points in the 'normal' position.

What's Going On:
A reoccurred points failure affecting platforms 11 and 12, an earlier points failure affecting trains using platforms 20 to 24 at London Waterloo and a low-speed partial derailment yesterday has caused disruption to services. Points are sections of track that allow trains to change from one line to another.

Trains are now able to use platforms 11 and 12 at London Waterloo after engineers investigated a problem with a set of points.

Trains are still unable to use platform 13 at London Waterloo for the remainder of the day following the derailment yesterday. Engineers will continue to make repairs today and overnight tonight so that this platform can be brought back into use.

Looking at the track diagram, I suspect that if the "double slip (diamond) crossing", (which was the scene of yesterdays incident), is still defective, and it was secured in the 'normal' position for access into P11 and P12, then it would prevent use of P13.

Maybe one of our signalling gurus would like to offer a better opinion?

Paul

Do we know whether the derailment has caused any delays to the programme of works being undertaken?

Waterloo is a 1990 relay interlocking controlled from Wimbledon SCC by duplicated Time Division Multiplex (TDM) remote control and indication systems.  The interlocking is divided into 'Main Line' and 'Windsor' sides and each half is controlled by separate panels at Wimbledon.

IIRC this sort of horizontal split runs all the way through to Clapham Junction - which as most people know doesn't really operate as a junction, more of a 'coming together'... 

Sounds like they might need some significant changes to the signallers MMI...

Paul

On the WNXX Forum it was mentioned that the derailed train (once rerailed) was stabled in Platform No.13 so perhaps its still there?

I wonder whether perhaps the points were set wrong when the inward working entered P13 some 20 minutes earlier.  This “trailing” of the points would not of course have caused a derailment, but would have damaged them and could have lead to the 0540 outward working derailing when passing over them. 

Following a low-speed partial derailment on Tuesday, we are unable to use platform 13 at London Waterloo. Engineers attempted repairs overnight but were unable to complete them without causing significant disruption to morning services. As a result, the work to bring the platform back into use will take place overnight on Thursday 17 August.

from the SWT journey check

Not sure about this 'inward working to P13'?  The incident train was leaving P11, there have been various images online showing the majority of the train still in P11 after the event.  Another unit was trapped in P12 after the incident, and P13 was inaccessible, but IIRC empty at the time.

This Guardian article shows the aftermath, the barrier train being in the P10 approach:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/16/rail-passengers-second-day-delays-waterloo-derailment

Paul 

Sorry, my mistake, I should have said P11 not P13.

...[later]  and RTT shows the train in P12 arrived after the train in P11, so that's my theory blown out of the water!