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More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
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More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:24, 31st July 2025
 
From the BBC:



A petition calling for Cornwall to be recognised as the UK's fifth nation now has more than 12,000 signatures.

The petition, started following a vote in favour by Cornwall Council on 23 July, urges the government to grant the duchy, which has a population of about 580,000 people "equal status to Wales and Scotland".

Topping 10,000 signatures means it will get a response from the government and, if it reaches 100,000 signatures by 11 September, the issue could be debated in Parliament.

Council leader, Liberal Democrat Leigh Frost, said the move reflected a desire for "fairer funding, better representation and the ability to shape our own future".

MP Ben McGuire, Lib Dem MP for North Cornwall, said he was "really pleased to see such widespread support" for nation status. "I don't see why not. I'm extremely ambitious for Cornwall, and I think if we have nation status, it could be a real game-changer for our duchy," he told BBC Radio Cornwall. "It could give Cornwall real clout in discussions with this government and any future government."

Councillor Rowland O'Connor, deputy leader of the Reform group, the largest single party group on Cornwall Council, stressed that while Reform respected Cornish identity, it did not support the push for devolution. "We are all Cornish and proud of it, but we do not agree with the direction of travel towards a devolution agreement," he said. "There is a symbiotic relationship between Cornwall and the rest of the UK. Taking it to full devolution is a step too far, especially without overwhelming public consent."

Anna Gelderd, Labour MP for South East Cornwall, also expressed caution, emphasising the importance of listening to constituents. "Devolution is not something that comes through my inbox all that often," she said. "I'm hugely supportive of Cornish minority status, but what I want is for the people of South East Cornwall to be better provided for, with easier access to public services and a strong economy. That often means working with our neighbours across the UK. The identity and culture of being Cornish is part of who we are, that exists irrespective of the political situation."



Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by TaplowGreen at 22:07, 31st July 2025
 
Around 2% of the population of Cornwall then. Not the most overwhelming of mandates.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by GBM at 05:35, 1st August 2025
 
I didn't know about the vote!
It would have been a yes from me.

I'd be sure many others didn't know about the vote either, so perhaps a slightly bigger percentage increase in the vote.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by grahame at 06:28, 1st August 2025
 
I didn't know about the vote!
It would have been a yes from me.

I'd be sure many others didn't know about the vote either, so perhaps a slightly bigger percentage increase in the vote.

I don't think it was a vote, but rather a petition that's been going around.   The relatively small proportion of signatures to population is a reminder of the danger of petitions that are not fully advertised / don't go viral - that danger being that they illustrate to people who choose to use them for that purpose that the support for the idea is limited.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:11, 1st August 2025
 
Were the people who supported this petition made aware of the significant cost of implementing a new 'Cornish Groat' currency? And border controls across the Tamar (and elsewhere)? And 20% tariffs on their cauliflower exports? etc.   

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by grahame at 08:25, 1st August 2025
 
Were the people who supported this petition made aware of the significant cost of implementing a new 'Cornish Groat' currency? And border controls across the Tamar (and elsewhere)? And 20% tariffs on their cauliflower exports? etc.   

But tariffs are paid by the people in the country to which the exports are made, aren't they?

Were Cornwall to become part of the Schengen area, EU and Euro, it could open up investment and business there ... but I do suspect that the request was a measured one in the petition, not looking to go that far.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by ChrisB at 09:31, 1st August 2025
 
Try signing up here
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/711355

Standing now at 12,781

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by JayMac at 11:06, 1st August 2025
 
Time for a new Ealing comedy?

Passport to Polperro.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Clan Line at 11:43, 1st August 2025
 
Be careful on what you wish for !  Soon Trump will be proposing to impose a 150% Grockle and Emmet tariff.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Phantom at 11:59, 1st August 2025
 
It is laughable how a county believe they should become their own country.
There are some strange people down that way, perhaps the sea air has gotten to them?

Never going to happen, but I guess it keeps certain people in a job

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:40, 1st August 2025
 
Were the people who supported this petition made aware of the significant cost of implementing a new 'Cornish Groat' currency? And border controls across the Tamar (and elsewhere)? And 20% tariffs on their cauliflower exports? etc.   

But tariffs are paid by the people in the country to which the exports are made, aren't they?

Were Cornwall to become part of the Schengen area, EU and Euro, it could open up investment and business there ... but I do suspect that the request was a measured one in the petition, not looking to go that far.

Given that Cornwall had one of the biggest "leave" votes in the Brexit referendum, that's probably not very likely......although the impact of Brexit on them may well have made them wiser in the interim.

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Clan Line at 20:31, 1st August 2025
 
.........although the impact of Brexit on them may well have made them wiser in the interim.

True......... shows them that the "blob" will always get its way over those pesky plebian voters !

Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:10, 1st August 2025
 
There were 20,000 of us, back in the day: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8 


Re: More than 12,000 back Cornwall as fifth nation
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:32, 2nd August 2025
 
.........although the impact of Brexit on them may well have made them wiser in the interim.

True......... shows them that the "blob" will always get its way over those pesky plebian voters !

Mebyon (Kernow) rather than plebeian in this case 

 
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