From the BBC, in depth


Some town centres seem to have and be succeeding, and others indeed are no longer attracting people to visit businesses there, which are closing their shopfronts.  Is there rhyme or reason to which "High Street" might succeed and which might not?

Looking locally, I see both Devizes and Bath vibrant when I visit them, but I don't get the same feeling from Melksham.  Having said which, we have quite a number of store fronts which are for products for immediate access / use within the hour.  People hereabouts grumble about "yet another barber" and "not ANOTHER takeaway" and yet - with a handful of specific locations - they tend to last longer.   One severe issue tends to be car parking for pickups, and changing regulations seem to  effect them significantly. 

How are High Streets close to you faring?  How do you account for this?

 
Paignton, I saw on Saturday WH Smith or now TG Jones is closing down. I think the one in Torquay has gone. October Today's Railways had a small section on the closures and the difficulty of buying magazines.  Where can you by a newspaper in central Paignton? Only Tesco Express, and a shop near the level crossing. Paignton station had a very good bookstall/newsagent but that closed over twenty years ago.

There are no banks in Torquay although a hub in Fleet Street is shortly to open. There is a hub in Brixham. Paignton still has all but one (NatWest) of it's banks.

Torbay council have a policy, because they expect 50% of retail to disappear to concentrate the shops in specific areas and the rest to ultimately become residential. This is really noticeable in Torquay where shops are closing in the upper parts of Union Street to the lower part and Fleet Street nearer the sea with plans for residential development or conversion to residential of the vacated shops.

It's an irony that in Paignton most of the shops, cafes, in the Torbay Road, Hyde Road, and Palace Avenue are converted houses.

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Torquay and Paignton are the 3rd and 4th largest towns in Devon, although official government figures reverse this by including a number of areas such as Cockington, Torbay Hospital, Torre into Paignton figures. It must distort all sorts of government figures. If you add in Brixham the total is 140,000 people the second biggest area and population in Devon although Exeter will soon overtake population wise.

 
That 4th picture, looking down Melksham Bank Street - I'm curious when that was taken as I don't think I've ever seen it with so little traffic, in daylight anyway. As you know if you spin round 180 you're looking towards the Costa and the actual High Street, and it tends to be a bit busier around there in my limited (especially compared to yours) experience.

I lived in Chippenham for a few years and having a pedestrianized high street during most of the day made it magnitudes nicer as a place to shop/loiter. Difficult to know how they could do the same with Melksham, but they might have thought that about Chippenham before they did it.

 

Saturday, 19th September 2026 at 08:53:25 - headed for the 09:09 to s Westbury


Indeed - I would be an advocate of some [more] pedestrianisation in Melksham.  Avon Place is tiny but a pedestrian precinct of sorts.   Now you could take the back of the Cooper Tires site, widening or a new road crossing the river just to the north of the Adventure Centre and joining the Calne Road at the top of the KGV park to pull a great deal of the through traffic, and traffic from the east of Melksham housing headed for Chippenham and Bath out of the Town Centre.

 
I was bought up in Torquay and went to school in Paignton in  the 1960s and remember them as vibrant places.  Between 1999 and 2005 I visited Torquay once a month and my initial impression was how both had deteriorated,  especially their shopping  centres. Many fine houses in Torquay had become multi-occupancy, with half-a-dozen sets of bins permanently outside them.

Torbay livened up in the holiday season, which provided jobs, but in the winter ...

In 1961 we moved to Sidmouth which, perhaps, was a bit  too much of a retirement area for a teenager,  especially in the winter.  Recently the Daily Express acclaimed it for its large number of independent shops.

(In 1970  I moved from Sidmouth to Basingstoke. with four months in digs at the Great Western Hotel, next to the station. The town was then developing to accommodate "London overspill ...)

 

This is all true. Torbay lost 5000 high paid jobs almost overnight. My parents-in-law bungalow sold for £90,000 in 2001 and £180,000 in 2006; then the property crash of 2008 it went down and did not recover to that price until 2014. The population of Torbay did not increase at all between 2001 and 2011. It has gone up since with thousands of new houses on greenfield sites, but the cheap hotels and B&Bs became a prey for outside councils to house their homeless and buy properties on the new estates.

That's why in the thread I started below regarding about a new 4* hotel is so important as the council expect it to release more brownfield sites and not put so much pressure on greenfield sites because the government says they are not providing enough housing land.

 
The town centre of Evesham has been laid-waste.  Many shops and former banks are empty, and those that are open are mostly scruffy and unloved

Shopowners would, I'm sure, point to sky-high, non-negotiable rents, business rates (for those who don't qualify for small business relief), parking charges and loss of parking spaces, over zealous and downright objectionable parking enforcement personnel (I once parked my car no more than an inch over the line, protruding into empty, unmarked space - the warden enjoyed telling me that by rights he should give me a ticket for not parking in the lines), absent street cleaning, and traffic congestion all as being very unhelpful to their cause, as well as some "out of town" bigger-name stores and supermarkets.  We've also lost several of the town centre's once prolific pubs

Which leaves the town looking post-apocalyptic with it's vacant shops and banks, rubbish, vegetation, Turkish barbers and vape shops, nail bars, charity shops (who don't pay business rates and often convince landlords not to charge any or much rent) and mobile-phone accessory shops.  All of which might just as well not be there, for all the actual customers they appear to attract

No one wants to go to the town centre any more

Complete failure

 
In Swindon town centre with Sainsburys and Marks & Spencer closing there is just a smallish Tesco supermarket and an Iceland with its limited range for food shopping.  On the outskirts of the pedestrianised area there are some smaller supermarkets catering for some local communities although a few have been closed or lost their alcohol licences for various transgressions.

TG Jones and the Post Office within closed earlier this month.  There is a large Boots, a Primark and a couple of discount stores.

With bank branches up the hill in Old Town closing, the town centre has retained its full range of banks and most building societies.

Of the two Wetherspoons pubs, one is reported as being up for sale.

There are three Greggs, various coffee shops, barbers of many persuasions, vape and charity shops - although some of the latter have closed.

Then of course there is a new bus interchange to bring throngs of people to them.