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Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362118/30338/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:42, 10th June 2025
 
There were: I've now merged them, here. 


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362117/29650/26]
Posted by charles_uk at 11:33, 10th June 2025
 
Alterations to services between London Paddington and Slough
Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Slough some lines will be blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:45 10/06.

Doesn't seem to be causing significant issues at the moment but the disruption until guestimate has been extended from 11:15 to 13:45 so far...

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362116/30338/5]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:15, 10th June 2025
 
There are two threads running on this

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30341.new#new

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362115/30338/5]
Posted by Noggin at 10:43, 10th June 2025
 
Press release at https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/news/kids-go-free-on-the-wests-buses/

"The school holidays are due to start on 19 July. The proposed free travel offer would run from then until 5 September (to cover varying INSET days) across the West of England and North Somerset during the same period on all registered commercial and supported bus services starting in those areas, with limited exemptions to be set out in due course on the Travelwest website – e.g. for airport services."

"The proposed package is set to be funded using some of the £13.5 million of Bus Grant funding secured from the Department for Transport by the West of England Mayoral Combined Authority."

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362114/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:16, 10th June 2025
 
08:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 11:14 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 06:44


11:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 14:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:10/06/2025 06:45

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
In "The Lighter Side" [362112/11558/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:42, 10th June 2025
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Re: Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362111/30340/49]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:34, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

I have ... wondered at times ... why a village like Coldstream needs its own special guards ... but I digress!

Perhaps it's time for the Melksham militia?

Re: Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362110/30340/49]
Posted by grahame at 07:17, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

I have ... wondered at times ... why a village like Coldstream needs its own special guards ... but I digress!

Re: Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362109/30338/5]
Posted by infoman at 07:11, 10th June 2025
 
announced by WECA on the local news for the area controlled by WECA.

There are 150,000 children in the WECA area.

Not sure if their are time restrictions on the offer

Coldstream guards making their way to Berwick from Kings cross tain station
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [362108/30340/49]
Posted by infoman at 07:05, 10th June 2025
 
Being reported LIVE on BBC breakfast news on 10 June,

just wondering if they MIGHT try to get some live coverage while the train is in motion!

Children to get free bus travel for the summer - Bristol, 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362106/30338/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:50, 10th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Children under the age of 16 are to be offered free bus travel across the summer.

It is expected to benefit up to 150,000 children living in Bristol, South Gloucestershire, North Somerset, and Bath and North East Somerset.

The offer, backed by the West of England Combined Authority and funded through a £13.5m government transport grant, will run from 19 July to 5 September. Bus travel for children aged from five to 15 is currently capped at £1 per journey.

The new regional mayor, Labour's Helen Godwin, said she wanted families to have "something to look forward to" in the summer. The move was backed by Bristol's Green council.

Mrs Godwin launched the initiative at a play park in Hengrove, describing it as a much-needed boost for families facing mounting living costs. "We really want all families across the West of England to have something to look forward to this summer," she said. "Hopefully this will feel like a bit of a help."

The mother of three highlighted the burden transport costs place on families. "If my husband and three kids wanted to go and do something, you're talking about over £15 for us to go out. It's quite a lot of money."

The initiative is designed to help children visit friends, explore local attractions, and access free summer events.

Kate Marsh, the head teacher of Perry Court E-ACT Academy, said the offer would be "fantastic" for families who rely on buses. "It opens up a lot more options to them - visiting parks, family, museums and seeing friends… This will help with mental wellbeing as well as a benefit for their education."

The scheme, which still requires final approval, builds on a wider push to boost public transport use. It follows a recent birthday-month free bus pass scheme for all West of England residents.

Bristol City Council leader and Green Party councillor Tony Dyer said the plan would reduce barriers for young people seeking out opportunities. "We fully support this initiative… With so many events and activities happening across Bristol this summer, this will help make accessing them much easier."

The free travel scheme will apply to most local services, though some, such as airport routes, will be exempt.



Cross Country Voyager refurbs / the cycle view
In "Cross Country services" [362105/30337/43]
Posted by grahame at 06:29, 10th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
26th May, to West Wiltshire Rail User Group and worth a share in answer to a request to do somewhat better for cycles on Cross Country Trains

We will not be able to make any material difference to the way cycles can be stored on our Voyagers. Although the work taking place is extensive, to make changes to the provision for cycles would have required structural modifications to the train interiors, which would have significantly increased the scope and cost of the refurbishment. I do recognise that some people can find the existing arrangement difficult. I am certain that if asked our onboard teams would be happy to help, or [customer name] could request support through the Travel Assistance service and a link is available on our website.

While we won’t be able to change things for our cycling passengers, I can confirm that the work will include the replacement of all current passenger seating. These will be replaced with new seats to hopefully provide a more comfortable experience for our long distance users.

Kind regards

Richard Gibson

I am far from as certain as Richard in that colleagues on board are always as helpful as he suggests. The correspondence which generated this more general reply related to experiences with less than helpful staff and that's not a unique experience/perception. 

I am minded of how different it could be.  Waiting in Klaipeda (as one does) for th Vilnius train, the single carriage commuter train from Silute pulled in and there must have been a dozen bicycles coming off that in addition to a flow of passengers that seemed astonishingly endless.  Crew and others on the train cheerfully handing cycles down from the relatively high train to the low outer platform - with the cycles then wheeled across the barrow crossing to exit the station.

Re: Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362104/30336/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:12, 10th June 2025
 
... There is no taxi rank at either, but cabs can be booked by phone ...

I am - err - quite familiar with Melksham but not so much with Nailsea. Can you always phone and get a cab?

Yes, we (in Melksham) do and occasionally can call a taxi, but there is no central booking point and we are sometimes left calling around a series of different small operators (of which there are at least half a dozen) looking for someone available when and where we want to go.  There's no Uber in Wiltshire and indeed I suspect the current operators would not welcome such a service, but all the cabs have their regular contracts to and from education in particular, and cabbies have their days off too and other bookings.    We - living in Melksham - always have a "plan B" - and the taxi becomes a convenience and never a necessity.

Re: Skip-stopping to catch up
In "Across the West" [362103/30329/26]
Posted by grahame at 05:21, 10th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Witham Bobby
 
That's probably a text book example of where removing stops is an excellent idea. 

[snip]

I have seen other examples where it has been completely pointless. 

[snip]

It's a bit of a guessing game.

Indeed - and I was guessing yesterday as the results unfolded, with both JourneyCheck and RealTimeTrains guessing in their own ways too.   Best you can say sometimes is "at least they tried" and hindsight is always wonderful where it doesn't work out.

Over the last few months I've had a couple of non-stop CDF-SWA journeys ... One of them worked well. Other departures held back at CDF. Something looped along the way. Significant time recovered.

Skip-stopping can be a good idea, although passengers aren't too keen on seeing the big picture

Totally agreed, and that is the bane of the public transport operator's dilemma.   Not just with issues of sacrifices / changes made - such as running short and skip-stopping when things go wrong, but also with regard to other longer term provisions.  I have often wondered why people who make the choices / decisions actually listen to me from time to time when others say that getting even a reply from some of those decision makers is hard, and one of the reasons I have come upon with is that I see and acknowledge a far bigger picture than most.  There's a whole topic there for "later".

The communication of what's happening can indeed eat into the gains that would be made with skip-stopping (and short running)  and only so much can be done with the tools at hand, some of which leave much to be desired.  It's been the same in Germany and in Poland - not unique to the UK.

But skip-stopping, running short, cancelling a round trip on shorter lines on the day are all just sticking plasters covering up when things aren't working as they should - and the real answer lies in having far fewer incidents which necessitate these last-minute changes to the discomfort of the customer.
* Having enough suitable staff available
* Having enough working trains available and not have them fail along the way
* Having infrastructure maintained so that it doesn't fail / lead to emergency restrictions
* Having people not chuck themselves in front of trains
The effects of these are cumulative and they sometimes interact.  I could add "and enough infrastructure to cope" - one of the reasons that we have so many incidents / issues is that we have a far more intense service than in the past so there are many more things to go wrong.  And here on the Coffee Shop and at other online locations, we know about them these days whereas in the past the news/data wasn't available to us ...

Re: Skip-stopping to catch up
In "Across the West" [362102/30329/26]
Posted by Hafren at 23:56, 9th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
Over the last few months I've had a couple of non-stop CDF-SWA journeys....

One of them worked well. Other departures held back at CDF. Something looped along the way. Significant time recovered.

The other time there was this stopper in front. I wondered if it would be looped at Tremains, when it was still not causing any hold-up. It wasn't. By Pyle the signal checks were starting. I thought it would be reasonable to loop it at Stormy; it's not unusual, even when the IET isn't skip-stopping. It didn't happen. The last opportunity was to overtake at Port Talbot. It didn't happen. The non-stop run became a multi-stop run. I did wonder if the ARS routed things before the signaller could prevent it, but I have no idea which locations on that route are covered by ARS, and I would have thought in that case a signaller would have intervened before the third opportunity was lost!

Then there's the communication issue. Skip-stopping can be a good idea, although passengers aren't too keen on seeing the big picture. But if it has to be done, it needs to be communicated clearly. All it takes is dodgy PA here, or a passenger hard of hearing there, and someone isn't in the picture.

A poor example of skip-stopping was on the Valley Lines. Between the stop at Cardiff Central and departing Queen Street, three different patterns had been announced. It was a 150, and the PA wasn't great. Passengers were a bit confused. It really could have done with the guard walking through to check people had understood, or even the guard taking the rear car and platform staff taking the front car (which stopped right by their office) at CDQ.

Then, on a different but related tack, there's the PAD-CMN journey that terminated short at SWA during a very disrupted day not long ago. The first IET I joined at CDF wasn't going anywhere because it was awaiting (presumably displaced) crew. (There may be a lesson on lack of resources for proper resilience somewhere here.) So anyone who didn't want to wait was advised to join another one which came into Platform 1 or 2. From what I overheard a lot of passengers on there had already had a similar swap of trains at Didcot or Swindon, along with a wait and a diversion. So people felt somewhat messed around and weren't in the best mood! It seemed fairly likely to me, based on experience, that it would terminate at SWA. I imagine it had crossed the mind of crew and control as well, to the point that perhaps expectations could have been set (pros and cons there). But nothing was announced; indeed, it was announced that it was the Carmarthen train more than once.

At some point I checked Journeycheck and saw that it was to terminate short. But no change of plan was announced. Finally, on the approach to SWA, when it seemed like things were running more smoothly and there was no further disruption to the journey, the bombshell was dropped. The reaction of nearby passengers, some of whom had children with them who needed to be fed, was somewhat explosive (which I'm sure helped with keeping things calm for said children!). Oh, and a possible connection wasn't held, with the next one not due for some time. As I was leaving I think gateline staff were picking up on the mood.


Melksham (Wiltshire) and Nailsea (North Somerset) - a comparison
In "Introductions and chat" [362101/30336/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:06, 9th June 2025
 
I have lived in Nailsea for many years, and I recently had the opportunity to live in Melksham for three weeks.  That gave me the opportunity to make this comparison.

The railway stations serving each town are far from central, but not beyond a good walking distance. There is no taxi rank at either, but cabs can be booked by phone. At Nailsea, there is a connecting bus service at the station, in both directions, with a reasonable service.

Both towns are historic: Nailsea has a claim to fame for coal mining, glass blowing and farming, and Melksham has a claim to fame for Regency spa facilities and a (disused) canal through it - as well as a host of other attractions.

The population of both towns is about 20,000.

(By the way: both towns have a Wetherspoons, and my preference is The Bear in Melksham over The Glassmaker in Nailsea.)

Chris from Nailsea. 


Re: Guest locomotive / running on the wrong lines
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362100/30333/47]
Posted by PhilWakely at 22:04, 9th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
I appreciate that this topic relates to visiting locomotives on heritage lines, but it is very disappointing to see mainline steam railtours using locomotives from other BR Regions. I know it is down to ownership and where the locos are based, but why use ex-LMS or ex-SR locos on the likes of the Royal Duchy or Torbay Express when there are ex-GWR locomotives available?

A couple of years ago, an 'Atlantic Coast Express' commemoration railtour from London Waterloo to Exeter St David's via Salisbury and Yeovil Junction was hauled by a Black 5, whilst a Merchant Navy was being used on a Settle and Carlisle railtour!

Re: Flight replacement buses.
In "The Lighter Side" [362098/30328/30]
Posted by Timmer at 21:36, 9th June 2025
 
Watched this last night, most interesting. I’d heard about it but didn’t pay much attention to planes being replaced by buses.

It was mentioned during the video that doing short flights with buses instead of planes is going to increase with other airlines starting down this route as well as AA.

Re: Broadgage unwell.
In "Introductions and chat" [362097/26962/1]
Posted by TonyK at 20:35, 9th June 2025
Already liked by JayMac
 

I always felt a bit uneasy at killing large numbers of beetles, not for some important medical purpose, or even as food, but simply for a decorative colouring agent.

So did I, although I stopped after only a short time.

Re: Announcement - Billions of investment on tram, train and bus projects.
In "Looking forward - the next 5, 10 and 20 years" [362096/30318/40]
Posted by TonyK at 20:31, 9th June 2025
 
This bit made me chuckle:


With the West of England Mayoral Combined Authority area already benefitting from a nearly 50% increase in funding to fix potholes this year compared to last year, we are paving the way to the future.

Hopefully, not to be taken literally! Much prefer rail.

As with Red Squirrel, I hope tram-train is not ruled out. They're commonplace in a bit of Yorkshire, and will be in south Wales ere long. Once the wires are up along Filton Bank and to Thingley, they could work wonders for mass transit around Bristol. It needs a bit more imagination than has been obvious in past times, but now is the time to Do Something, lest the Chancellor changes her mind because of dithering. The problem is that Bristol will gain most whatever happens, or so it will seem, so the positives and potential for the other areas need to be detailed.

Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362095/30325/5]
Posted by Marlburian at 20:07, 9th June 2025
 
In 1974 we had a Vauxhall Viva as an office car: smelly plastic upholstery, three gears with the lever on the steering column.  It once had a punctured tyre when I was on my way to a meeting in a suit.  I managed to change the wheel and arrive in time, with only slightly grubby hands.

When my Ford Fiesta hit a huge pothole a few weeks ago and the tyre blew out, I didn't hesitate to call the AA. I couldn't face working out how the curious jack worked and where to place it under the low-slung chassis. Despite my being out in the sticks, the AA was with me within an hour and my spacesaver fitted within another ten minutes.

Re: Guest locomotive / running on the wrong lines
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362094/30333/47]
Posted by Andy at 19:36, 9th June 2025
Already liked by PhilWakely, grahame, Western Pathfinder, Ralph Ayres
 
It's good for the railways to be able to have a fresh face in their line-up, and a visiting loco gets to be a star during an event or for a season. Smaller and fledgling railways who don't have a regular ex-big railway loco can finance a visitor to raise their profile, too.


That said, seeing a GWR loco in a GWR setting or a diesel hydraulic on its home turf is special...

Re: 'The Day of the Jackal', by Frederick Forsyth
In "Introductions and chat" [362093/30335/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:35, 9th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Sadly, Frederick Forsyth has died, aged 86.

From the BBC:




Best-selling author Frederick Forsyth, known for thriller novels including The Day Of The Jackal, has died at the age of 86, his agent has said.

"We mourn the passing of one of the world's greatest thriller writers," Jonathan Lloyd said in a statement.

Forsyth published more than 25 books, also including The Odessa File and The Dogs of War, and sold 75 million books around the world, he said.

His publisher Bill Scott-Kerr said: "Still read by millions across the world, Freddie's thrillers define the genre and are still the benchmark to which contemporary writers aspire. He leaves behind a peerless legacy which will continue to excite and entertain for years to come."

Born in Kent in 1938, Forsyth joined the RAF at the age of 18 before becoming a war correspondent for the BBC and Reuters. He revealed in 2015 he also worked for British intelligence agency MI6 for more than 20 years. Many of his fictional plots drew on his real-life experiences around the world.

He made his name with his first novel, 1971's The Day Of The Jackal, which he wrote when he was out of work. "[I was] skint, in debt, no flat, no car, no nothing and I just thought, 'How do I get myself out of this hole?' And I came up with probably the zaniest solution - write a novel," he said. It is a gripping tale, set in 1963, about an Englishman hired to assassinate the French president at the time, Charles de Gaulle.

The Day Of The Jackal was turned into a 1973 film starring Edward Fox as the Jackal, and then became a TV drama starring Eddie Redmayne last year.

Forsyth died on Monday after a brief illness, a statement said.

"We mourn the passing of one of the world's greatest thriller writers," Mr Lloyd said. "Only a few weeks ago I sat with him as we watched a new and moving documentary of his life - In My Own Words, to be released later this year on BBC One – and was reminded of an extraordinary life, well lived. After serving as one of the youngest ever RAF pilots, he turned to journalism, using his gift for languages in German, French and Russian to become a foreign correspondent in Biafra. Appalled at what he saw and using his experience during a stint as a Secret service agent, he wrote his first and perhaps most famous novel, The Day Of The Jackal, and instantly became a global bestselling author."

Forsyth followed The Day Of The Jackal with The Odessa File in 1972, which was adapted for the big screen in a film starring Jon Voight two years later.

He was made a CBE for services to literature in 1997.

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Re: My new car, as yet unbuilt, is already in love with me
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362092/30325/5]
Posted by eightonedee at 18:58, 9th June 2025
 
I've threads on two other forums about this, and on one someone has replied "Luton has always been a van plant, not car - it started off as a Bedford truck factory. The only cars ever assembled there were Frontera 4x4s from 1992 to 2004, but it closed completely two months ago. Stellantis' only UK assembly plant is Ellesmere Port - and that stopped assembling Corsas in 2020 and Astras in 2022. It now assembles electric Berlingo/Partner/Doblo/Combo small vans and their car equivalents."

That's the current (or recently closed) one. There was another Vauxhall plant, that was Vauxhall's main plant for many years that closed in 2002. It produced all those Vauxhall Victors, Crestas and their related models that older members may remember, and later some of the Cavaliers and Vectras, which were Opel designs, that were classic sales reps and popular family cars in the 1980s and 1990s. Luton was a real motor manufacturing centre, sadly no more. 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [362091/29650/26]
Posted by Electric train at 17:15, 9th June 2025
 
Alterations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:45 09/06

Rapidly pushed out to 1400 & now 1500
 
National Rail reporting no Elizabeth Line services between Paddington-Heathrow/Reading......Advice seems to be to go via Waterloo.

Report in a local news paper https://www.sloughexpress.co.uk/news/traffic-and-travel/201654/major-disruption-on-london-paddington-to-reading-train-line-after-casualty-on-tracks.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawKz5whleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBYRnJvRkR2RzlQTXE5SURwAR7k8vmJj-al5-L4zohMl9WOPau7kOswUS93SrOABFN-7PQzBg3_My5mDdXnDw_aem_J2_-9E6iEUR1Ri7n9xWwOw#Echobox=1749471219

Casualty on the tracks at Hanwell station


Re: Longer distance canal walks - public transport for one way section returns
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [362090/30213/50]
Posted by grahame at 16:44, 9th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Richard Fairhurst, Western Pathfinder
 
It's the piers for the useful but closed rail line, part of the shortest route between London and the West Country, and which had at least one bridge of an uncommon design, not sure if the canal crossing's bridge was another, but the piers certainly got beefed up at some stage.

Mark

The bridge at Foxhangers was conventional - see here and open the "history" tab. The Fish Bridge on Caen Hill was the uncommon design - always known as that even after it was replaced in 1901. See here on Facebook.  None of these photos have original poster credits which I would happily add if I knew them.

Regarding the 9th photo, the herons along the Bath section of the Kennet and Avon canal are extraordinarily accepting of humans walking close by them. I assume this is one of them, probably the one that hangs around midway between Bathampton and Sydney Gardens.

This one was actually near Bradford-on-Avon; on the walk in with visiting cousins we missed the Bathampton to Bath section around the river valley and went Dundas - Midford - Tucking Mill - Combe Down - Devonshire - Bear Flat






Re: Guest locomotive / running on the wrong lines
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [362089/30333/47]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 16:37, 9th June 2025
 
?  - I thought that Stepney was another Bluebell engine right from the start, and Wikipedia seems to confirm that.



Research suggests that the Minehead engine was No. 78 (Knowle) rather than No. 55 (Stepney)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LB%26SCR_A1_class_locomotives

You're right.  My memory isn't what it was.  Thank you

 
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