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Pilning Station - where are we, and looking at future options (May 2025)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [361190/30237/21]
Posted by grahame at 09:01, 4th May 2025
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Plenty of trains race through Pilning Station, and just twice a week one calls there. On 3rd May, the Bristol Rail Campaign walked from Severn Beach to Pilning to join the train at 15:32 headed for Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance and around ten of us joined the 5 carriage electric train when it arrived through the Severn Tunnel from South Wales.

Why is the service so thin? Does anyone use it?  Could it be better?

The history

Pilning Station is about a mile from Pilning Village.  It's located where it is because it was an operational centre where the line that descends to the Severn Tunnel forked off from the line to New Passage where the ferry used to run.  Until the opening of the first Severn Bridge in 1966, you could put your car on a train here and have it taken through the tunnel to Severn Tunnel Junction, but that service ceased when the bridge opened.

Train services at this remote station decayed over the years to two trains per day in the 1970s and then to 2 trains per week in 2006. The service ran into Bristol called on a Saturday morning, and one train retuned on that afternoon.

Faced with the cost of raising and improving the footbridge on electrification in 2016, Network Rail and their contractors simply removed the bridge, and now both weekly trains call as they emerge from the Severn Tunnel on their way to Bristol, and there's no way back by train unless you double back through the tunnel.

The present

Pretty little spot for a trip?  Sorry - it isn't. There's a scrapyard of site, a high spiked fence that makes it look more like a secure prison than a railway station, and I would not risk parking a car there. There is an unlocked pedestrian gate that lets your through to walk up the ramp and through another gate onto a platform with a shuttered old building and trains rushing by every few minutes. Across the track you see the platform that trains used to call at in the other direction, now covered in weeds and electrical poles.

Why is a train service still provided?  Because the legal procedures to close a station are complex, expensive, and subject to a lot of consultation. That makes sense because it would be so easy to stop calling there, but so difficult in the future to re-establish services - in fact the current situation is perverse because the "powers that be" have reduced the service to a near-useless level - as far as they can without all this extra expense of closure.

The future

Could the station do better with more welcoming facilities and a better service? Undoubtedly it could, but whether that would be socially and financially justified has never been (to my knowledge) seriously, officially, and publicly tested, and it would certainly need investment to bring back a viable 2 way service.

Is Pilning really "in the middle of nowhere"?  It certainly felt like it when a group of about a dozen of us walked there last Saturday to catch the train. A country lane from Pilning Village isn't signposted to the station, and there's no footpath for much of the way.  We lunched at the Plough which does survive about 100 yards from the station, quiet on a Saturday lunchtime but a clue in the large car park and adverts for entertainment in the evenings that this is an out-of-town venue where noise can be made without disturbing anyone.  Ironically, the railway does run from the station down past the village itself - a re-located station would be much more logical to serve the residents of the current villages of Pilning and Redwick which it runs into.  It's also noted that the road access to Pilning village itself is much better than to the current station, and that it's only a few hundred yards across the fields to the major Severnside employment and warehousing area, with its own Motorway junction too.

I can offer you multiple scenarios

1. Put an accessible footbridge back in at the current site, improve the service, and offer a village station for the future.

2. Our country is building new homes and they require transport - not only for cars but much more for buses and trains, and where better that around new or underutilised train stations?  Pilning is attractive - people want to live within a sensible distance of Bristol, the railway line is there as are the services going where they want to go, and it's not on a flood plain nor in an area of outstanding natural beauty.

3. Relocate Pilning Station near the bridge over the B4055. It's then at the village, within 300 metres of the employment area, and with platforms on the outer tracks accessed by slopes off the road eliminates the problem of how to access an island platform at a sensible price that we have at the current site.

4. Close the current station and have the main line railway run through the area but not serve it

5. Leave it as it is until someone comes up with a solution / decision and implements it.

Option 3 is covered in more detail at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/leaflet.pdf - it started on 1st April 2018 with a suggestion that it was - err - distinctly tongue in cheek but yet all the elements to add up to suggest that it could make sense. Other studies have confirmed this.  However, there seems to be no consensus over future direction.

Illustrtations:

Pilning Station is certainly not welcoming ...


Pilning's current station is set in the countryside - this between the village and the station


Map showing current station (entrance - red dot) and possible alternative (cyan dot)


Bristol Rail Campaign await the train


The twice-weekly train calls. Noted that only members of the Bristol Rail Campaign party got on, and no passengers left the train.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361189/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:30, 4th May 2025
 
10:38 Weymouth to Swindon due 13:03
13:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 15:46

Facilities on the 13:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 15:46.
Disabled toilet facilities are not available.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361188/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 05:56, 4th May 2025
 
Let's record a day when it all worked - Saturday, 3rd May.

Back to a familiar scene this morning

09:26 Chippenham to Westbury due 09:51

09:26 Chippenham to Westbury due 09:51 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

20:38 Westbury to Swindon due 21:23
21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16

21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361187/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:49, 4th May 2025
 
Sunday May 4

15:48 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 18:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:03/05/2025 22:34

18:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 21:36 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:03/05/2025 22:34

Fears over Elizabeth line wraparound screen plans - May 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361186/30236/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:20, 3rd May 2025
 
From the BBC:



Plans to install huge wraparound video adverts in Elizabeth line stations have raised fears that commuters will be "bombarded with ads".

Transport for London's (TfL) advertising partner Global said it wants to introduce "world-first immersive formats" such as digital screens covering the walls and ceilings of the line's underground walkways.

City Hall's Green Party said the "digital wraps" could spoil the "beautiful, calming" design of the Elizabeth line, stations, which recently won the Stirling Prize for Architecture

TfL said they were in early development and will be tested and assessed before they are introduced.

Caroline Russell, a Green member of the London Assembly, said the planned "sensory-heavy" wraparound screens raised "serious concerns for neurodiverse Londoners". "The Elizabeth Line stations are designed to be beautiful, calming environments through which many thousands of people pass every hour. While advertising generates revenue that's reinvested back into the transport system, TfL is a public service – it shouldn't be so underfunded that Londoners are bombarded with ads just to keep the network afloat."

A TfL spokesperson said: "A full Equality Impact Assessment will also be carried out to ensure that the needs of all customers are fully considered."

In addition to its plans for the Elizabeth line, Global has said it wants to transform the 160m long moving walkway at Waterloo Tube station into a "multi-sensory experience" featuring eight large digital screens, "combining sound, 3D visuals, scent and motion".

Across the wider Underground network, the advertising giant wants install more than 1,000 standard-sized digital screens "designed to immerse, inspire and move Londoners like never before".

Global said its plans were "underpinned by sustainability – from solar-powered screen assembly to carbon-neutral materials and modular screens that can be repaired easily".

Chris Forrester, managing director of commercial said: "Londoners have always looked to the Tube to tell them what's going on, what's new, and where they need to be.

The corridors and carriages of the London Underground aren't just ad space – they're a part of the very fabric of London life and a creative canvas for advertisers".



Re: Walk to Pilning and return by train - 3rd May 2025
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [361185/30211/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:34, 3rd May 2025
 
Good wishes to all of you - many familiar characters featured there.

Including a red squirrel - as ever, I wonder how such a tall small animal can fit under those beams. 

Re: Walk to Pilning and return by train - 3rd May 2025
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [361184/30211/34]
Posted by grahame at 20:20, 3rd May 2025
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Wonderful day out ...






















Re: A very easy riddle
In "The Lighter Side" [361183/30228/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:58, 3rd May 2025
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Hmm.

I understand red squirrels may have problems accessing trains at Grays

Re: A very easy riddle
In "The Lighter Side" [361181/30228/30]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:10, 3rd May 2025
 
Makes me wonder whether the train companies have policies allowing red squirrels to travel while banning the greys? 

In my experience, grey squirrels prefer to drive.

Book - reminiscences of Porton Station,Wiltshire
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [361180/30234/49]
Posted by Marlburian at 16:16, 3rd May 2025
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I've just finished reading Porton - Reminiscences of Porton Railway Station, the Railway Cottages and the Porton Camp Light Railway by Terry Grace. Terry grew up very locally in the 1950s and, with his young friends, took part in typical childhood escapades that would shock H & S today: helping with the shunting of goods wagons (including applying their brakes on the move) and, after the Porton Military Light Railway was closed, reinstating abandoned coal wagons on its track, pushing them up the line and climbing aboard for a downhill ride.

There are photos of these wagons in military use, as well of the locomotives with timber shields around their cabs. There's an account of  the Pedrail landship (with caterpillar-type tracks and designed to convey troops) that was tested locally - and found to be unsuitable. A landslip onto the main line in January 1959 is described, when the author's grandfather stopping an oncoming train just in time.

Porton was produced through Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing Service, which can be an excellent way for authors to self-publish books that would not otherwise appear in print.

Terry has also produced books on aviation before the Great War at Lark Hill, near Stonehenge.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361179/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 15:08, 3rd May 2025
 
Saturday May 3

1W02 1150 London Paddington to Hereford was cancelled after Worcester Shrub Hill
1P31 15:18 Hereford to London Paddington was started from Shrub Hill
both "due to trespass (XA)" according to RTT.

Later:
1P31 15:18 Hereford to London Paddington was started from Shrub Hill (+30), arrived Reading +37 and was cancelled thereafter.

18:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 21:13 will be started from Reading.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:03/05/2025 17:25

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361178/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 15:04, 3rd May 2025
 
And in the afternoon
2E14 17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham was cancelled after Oxford
2E16 18:51 Evesham to Oxford cancelled throughout
both "due to unknown cause (ZW)" according to RTT.

Re: Steam excursion - except there's much more diesel than steam!
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [361177/30223/47]
Posted by PhilWakely at 13:03, 3rd May 2025
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https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2025/05/steam-locomotive-34046-braunton-to-pass-through-dawlish-this-saturday.html

The tour starts with a diesel locomotive at Poole, where it will depart at 06:34. The train will then pass through Bournemouth (06:47), Brockenhurst (07:17), Southampton Central (07:40), Eastleigh (07:56), Salisbury (08:50), Warminster (09:16), Westbury (09:25) and Taunton at 10:23, where 34046 Braunton is attached.

With 34046 now on the front of the train, 34046 Braunton will pass through Tiverton Parkway (11:15), Dawlish Warren (11:52), Dawlish (12:10), Newton Abbot (12:16), Paignton (12:34) and Kingswear at 13:15.

[personal opinion piece] So that's about 4 hours behind a diesel, half an hour for a loco change, an hour and a quarter behind a steam engine on the main line, then a final section on a heritage line where you could travel behind a steam engine anyway.

Said excursion passing Ellerhayes Bridge, between Cullompton and Exeter. Braunton only acting as a figurehead with the diesel(s) doing the work!



Re: Bath Spa station - dealing with future capacity issues - ideas?
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [361176/30230/21]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:42, 3rd May 2025
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This much vaunted "capacity increase" has been achieved by wholesale shortening of the trains outside of this "core". The Cardiff - Portsmouth service now shows one solitary return trip daily by a 5 car train. As I reported a couple of months back, 4 weeks daily commuting from Warminster to Southampton was an appalling experience - but I'm so glad to know it produced more seats from Westbury to Bristol !

Which, I guess, is hardly surprising given the DfT instruction to GWR to make significant cost savings which resulted in the cancellation of the entire Class 769 project and the ‘early’ withdrawal of most of the Castle Class sets.

Fleet and capacity wise, I really don’t see how GWR could do much better with what they’ve currently got to work with.  But I agree that the customer experience leaves a lot to be desired as a result.

5 people survive 36 hours in alligator-infested swamp after plane crash: Bolivia
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [361175/30233/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:33, 3rd May 2025
 
From the BBC:

Five people have been rescued after spending 36 hours atop a plane in an alligator-infested swamp in the Amazon after it was forced to make an emergency landing, local authorities said.

The small plane was found by local fishermen in Bolivia's Amazonas region on Friday having been missing for 48 hours.

The survivors - three women, a child and the 29-year-old pilot - were rescued in "excellent condition", Wilson Avila, director of the Beni Department's emergency operations centre, said.

A search and rescue mission was launched on Thursday after the plane disappeared from the radar of the Beni Department in central Bolivia.

The pilot told local media that an engine failure had prompted an emergency landing near the Itanomas River during a flight from Baures in northern Bolivia to the city of Trinidad.

Andres Velarde said that the plane had suddenly started to lose altitude and he had been forced to land the craft in a swamp near a lagoon. The five that had been on board stood on top of the plane and were "surrounded by alligators that came within three metres of us". Velarde added that he believed petrol leaking from the plane had kept the predators at bay. They also saw an anaconda in the water, he said.

While awaiting rescue, they ate local cassava flour one of the passengers had brought. "We couldn't drink water and we couldn't go anywhere else because of the alligators," Velarde said.

After fishermen discovered the craft, a helicopter was sent to transport the survivors to hospital.

Ruben Torres, Director of the Beni Region Health Department, said that there had been "a lot of speculation about the case" and "many theories" after the plane went missing. "I am really happy because in the end all the institutions joined together to be able to find the missing people and save those lives," he told Reuters.



Re: Bath Spa station - dealing with future capacity issues - ideas?
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [361174/30230/21]
Posted by Clan Line at 08:41, 3rd May 2025
 
How long ago was this "preposterous" idea put forward as being the gospel truth by GWR with regards to the Cardiff - Portsmouth route ?

Until not long before Covid, which was the big nail in that coffin.  Instead of that, the core Bristol<>Westbury section has had a decent capacity increase thanks to the additional trains introduced from summer ‘23.

This much vaunted "capacity increase" has been achieved by wholesale shortening of the trains outside of this "core". The Cardiff - Portsmouth service now shows one solitary return trip daily by a 5 car train. As I reported a couple of months back, 4 weeks daily commuting from Warminster to Southampton was an appalling experience - but I'm so glad to know it produced more seats from Westbury to Bristol !

Re: A very easy riddle
In "The Lighter Side" [361173/30228/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:33, 3rd May 2025
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Makes me wonder whether the train companies have policies allowing red squirrels to travel while banning the greys? 

Don't I recall problems with greys at Redhill - but then isn't discrimination based on race / colour frowned upon? 

Re: A very easy riddle
In "The Lighter Side" [361172/30228/30]
Posted by froome at 08:29, 3rd May 2025
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Makes me wonder whether the train companies have policies allowing red squirrels to travel while banning the greys? 

Re: Bath Spa station - dealing with future capacity issues - ideas?
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [361171/30230/21]
Posted by froome at 08:26, 3rd May 2025
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Yes, Bath Spa's one advantage at present is that its platforms are relatively wide, so can cope with large numbers at present. Getting them all on and off the trains is a challenge, which the staff there do their very best to cope with.

My biggest gripe with the current station layout is that the lift on the London-bound platform is exceptionally poorly located and also too small. Its location means that passengers wishing to use it from the entrance have to 'mix' with many of the passengers who are getting off trains from both platforms (via the subway fro those who have arrived on westbound services and from the stairs from those arriving on eastbound services). This leads to huge congestion at the pinch points here, which can lead to considerable delay and no doubt to bad behaviour as people try to get through. From there the route to the lift is then ridiculously contorted and very difficult to negotiate with large luggage/bicycles etc. And the lift is far too small to cope with the demand, and in recent times has had notices requiring no more than two people use it at any time (which many people ignore, especially groups of tourists who may not understand what the notices say).

Re: Walk to Pilning and return by train - 3rd May 2025
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [361168/30211/34]
Posted by grahame at 06:19, 3rd May 2025
 

Walk from Severn Beach to Pilning - Lunch at the Plough - then getting the parliamentary train service back  from Pilning station Saturday 3rd May 2025

Ann invites you to join her on Saturday 3rd May for a walk from Severn Beach station to Pilning, followed by lunch at the Plough and then catching the afternoon ‘parliamentary train service’ from Pilning Railway station back to Temple Meads.

[snip]

       *Catch the 09.46 from Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach, arriving at 10.24.  (This train is from Weston Super Mare)
       *Walk is along quiet roads with only one busy road to cross – it should take about 1.5 hours.
       *Lunch is at the Plough in Pilning  (Pilning Street, Pilning, BS35 4JJ) – the pub opens at 12 noon and does food from 12 noon to 2 pm
       *Then the short walk to Pilning station for the 15.32 departure to Bristol Temple Meads.  There are no facilities at Pilning apart from a shelter

      * The cost for this journey (Pilning to Temple Meads) is £5.80 without a railcard or £3.85 with a railcard - either buy tickets in advance or take a chance of buying them on the day.

For For those who do not wish or are unable to do the walk but would like to meet up for the social at the Plough – catch the number 12, Stagecoach bus from either Bristol Parkway or Severn   Beach.  It is an hourly service in each direction.  From Bristol Parkway direction, the best stop is Swanmoor Bridge which is about a 20 minute walk from the Plough.  This stop is also the best option if coming from Severn  Beach direction too.

To get a rough idea of number please e-mail me on ae.light - at - btinternet.com

This is run in conjunction with Bristol Rail Campaign - and it is open to everyone


I will be joining Ann - I love this walk.    Also "symbolic" of my ongoing commitment to public transport campaigning (and to walking around 20 miles every week to follow the Melksham Daily Mile from last month).  Look forward to seeing old friends and new.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361167/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 02:48, 3rd May 2025
 
A summary from yesterday - of 18 calls planned, just 7 happened.



Southbound at 06:32, 20:39 and 23:12
Northbound at 07:21, 08:02, 18:52 and 21:31
Early evening calls at 19:09 and 20:22 were cancelled, even though the line had been re-opened by that time.

Re: A very easy riddle
In "The Lighter Side" [361166/30228/30]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 23:28, 2nd May 2025
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It goes without saying, I hope, that the Lake District is a good place for a red squirrel to commune with their fellow ruddy rodents. Hence my comments about the land of my kin.

Re: Subtle train time changes
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361164/20838/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 20:52, 2nd May 2025
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I thought I’d resurrect this old thread to report that the 08:18 WOS-PAD is going from a 5-car to a 9-car from the timetable change.

It’s a very popular train that is currently always full and standing from Oxford, sometimes very overcrowded, so great news.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361163/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:41, 2nd May 2025
 


I have to ask ... why does it take so LONG to get a failed locomotive out of the way?  Is it part of a more general set of things that seem for whatever reason to take fare longer to sort out when things go wrong?  No backup plans?  No spares/staff around?  Extra Health and safety requirements? Everyone a specialist?

I'd point that question at Hopwood if I were you, after all it's his trains that are being cancelled and his customers inconvenienced.  Given that, I'm sure he's all over those responsible and should be able to address your points.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361162/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:35, 2nd May 2025
 
"Short" runs this evening too - the 17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury and the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa both missing out Melksham.  Makes sense to be reversing TransWilts trains at Bathampton - remembering that 2 out of 3 passengers along the single line on a normal day are going through (not from or too Melksham) and so this is the best solution for them.

Oops - and sadly that's not what they have done with the evening trains after all

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be terminated at Swindon.
It will no longer call at Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster and Salisbury.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:05
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:05 will be started from Swindon.
It will no longer call at Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.

So "disruption until 20:00" is the operational description.  Anyone who hopes to head from Melksham to Cheltenham Spa (agreed not a huge flow) at 20:25 won't get there until - what - 11 p.m. or later?  [Edit - looked it up - 23:31!]

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361161/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:23, 2nd May 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Following a broken down train earlier today between Trowbridge and Chippenham the line has now reopened. Disruption is expected until 20:00 02/05.
Train services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or diverted.
Customer Advice
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We're sorry for the delay to your journey.
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A freight train locomotive had broken down on the line between Trowbridge and Chippenham. Engineers from the freight company fixed the locomotive and it has now been able to move clear of the line.
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We are now able to re-instate our train service, the first service from Westbury will be the 18:37 Westbury to Swindon and the first train from Swindon the 20:14 Swindon to Westbury.
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For the trains that are not running we have requested replacement road transport to run between Chippenham and Westbury via Melksham and Trowbridge. Please check the stations Onward Travel Information poster and wait for the replacement road transport at the designated stop. Before getting in any taxi vehicle please check with the driver that they are working on behalf of GWR, the driver should not ask for payment.
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