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Re: Taking Train Operation into public ownership - Govt planning from 4.12.2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361617/29571/51] Posted by ChrisB at 09:39, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the Guardian
Will Labour’s shake-up really fix Great Britain’s ailing railways?
As South Western becomes the latest operator to be renationalised, there are questions about whether the changes will lead to lower fares
At the rarely experienced hour of 6.14am on Sunday, the first train to carry the Great British Railways branding will make its way out of London Waterloo to Shepperton: traversing the Surrey commuter belt emblazoned with a red, white and blue GBR logo, and proudly renationalised to boot.
The next train with the planned state body’s branding may be some years behind it. But the Labour government hopes to grab the moment to demonstrate to an increasingly impatient electorate that the wheels of change – in rail at least – are finally turning.
The first renationalisation, landing on the late May bank holiday weekend, is one of Britain’s biggest commuter services – although the trains, including the one currently getting the GBR paint job in a Bournemouth depot, will still run as South Western Railway for some time. As the first emblem of a potential new era pulls into the station, what does the shake-up mean for the rail industry – and will passengers notice the difference?
How did we get here?
Legislation to bring train operators into state hands barely needed one sheet of A4. The bigger puzzle, in which renationalisation is one crucial piece, is achieving the goal shared by all parties of an integrated railway, where track and train are managed by one directing or guiding mind.
A consultation on the plans to create a dedicated public body only finished last month – about four years after the then prime minister, Boris Johnson, announced his own Great British Railways, with his government declaring an end to a “broken system”. Even that moment was long delayed: the rail review announced after the timetabling fiasco of 2018 promised reform by 2020.
GBR proved not to be, as some once declared, dead, but it does not yet live, after an arduous, costly gestation; a 100-strong “transition team” spent £135m working on the railway’s restructuring before being quietly disbanded in March.
Industry figures insist that Labour, with the ex-Network Rail chair Peter Hendy on the inside as the rail minister, has given fresh impetus to the process despite perceptions of continued drift.
The Department for Transport (DfT) said it was “working quickly” on “fixing the railway with generational reform”, but legislation expected by the summer could slip into the autumn, and it now says GBR will be up and running in new Derby headquarters in 2027 rather than late 2026.
The first steps are yet to be officially announced but Southeastern – nationalised after an accounting scandal in 2021 – is expected next month to become the first regional integrated railway, with track and train becoming the ultimate responsibility of a single managing director in Kent.
For now, government sources say, GBR is “less of a new organisation than a standard we want railways to meet”. But as the consultation has demonstrated, important questions remain.
Who will be in charge?
Promises to move fast and fix things have not been enough to convince Sir Andrew Haines, the chief executive of Network Rail and the leader of the GBR transition team, to stave off retirement plans. That might improve the optics for those who insist GBR will not simply be a Network Rail takeover of the railway.
Whoever ends up at the helm will want to know how much they are beholden to the government and regulators. Ministers have declared, but not always demonstrated, that they do not wish to micromanage rail; and rail bosses are keen to see the Office of Rail and Road’s remit cut for a different era.
Is open access welcome or not?
Not least among the ORR’s current powers are decisions over “open access” trains, where a competing company sets up new direct trains on a specific, previously unserved route – now seen as the last gasp for private train operations.
Labour has liked to stress that nationalisation is pragmatic not ideological – with a place for open access services, which coincidentally run into “red wall” constituencies. But a slew of applications has led to the transport secretary, Heidi Alexander, sounding a more discouraging note.
Open access trains, such as Grand Central and Lumo, are supposed to stoke new passenger demand and avoid “abstraction” of revenue – or taking ticket money away from the DfT. Senior figures in rail are dubious, but others also suggest that the government should be wary of driving companies such as First Group – a British transport firm running buses and trams as well as trains – completely out of the industry.
How does devolution meet freight?
In the quest to cut carbon, backing rail freight appears a no-brainer – according to Network Rail, one freight train is the equivalent of 76 lorries on the road.
The legislation gives GBR a “duty to promote” rail freight. However, the private freight operators fear for their position when other trains are unified under the controlling brand – particularly if metro mayors can control local lines. Freight shares tracks in London that are now used intensively for Overground services; Andy Burnham, who hopes to take trains into Manchester’s Bee Network, has already spoken of his frustration at freight “trundling” through the city centre.
Will GBR end – or fuel – strikes?
For all the rhetoric over two years of industrial action, the Labour offer that ended strikes was no different from the Conservatives’ in cash terms; only conditions and context.
A nationalised railway was a big aspiration of the rail unions. But as the drivers’ union Aslef acknowledges, a fragmented, privatised railway rapidly increased its members’ wages; short-term franchises pushed some operators to poach drivers rather than fully train new ones. How pay rates work out under a single employer remains to be seen. Disputes could spread across the country more quickly in response to attempts to bear down on costs, such as extending driver-only operation of trains – let alone the next pay round.
Will the money keep flowing?
With revenues flatlining and office workers in the south-east, once the bedrock of rail finances, showing no appetite for a renewed five-day commute, taxpayer subsidies have needed to stay high, with roughly £2bn more a year to fund train operations. Next month’s spending review is unlikely to bring good news for the DfT’s budget – let alone for the future of rail infrastructure projects pledged by the previous government, which Alexander has characterised as “promising the moon on a stick”.
The Railway Industry Association has sounded a warning that even the five-year funding settlement that rail counts on could be jeopardised. Labour sources insist GBR should have more long-term funding – but RIA, representing the supply chain, said that a consultation reference to potential “mid-period reductions to funds available” would cause more concern and uncertainty.
Will GBR make things better for passengers?
If a passenger had a pound for every time a minister vowed rail reform would put them first, they could almost afford a walk-up intercity train fare.
Most benefits are indirect. Greater accountability is perhaps the critical change: as Lord Hendy has put it, one person waking up and knowing that they have to fix their bit of the railway. Regional managers will be in charge of track and train, with no one else to blame. An overview of the issues and needs of both sides should improve reliability.
Labour has also promised that a new passenger watchdog, to be created alongside GBR, will have more teeth than the current Transport Focus – or at least bark louder.
Reforming fares should be easier, with a single operator ideally making ticketing less confusing for passengers. But changes brought in under the DfT-owned LNER suggest they will not be universally popular – or protect passengers from the extraordinarily high fares to simply take the next train.
According to the DfT, “public ownership will save taxpayers up to an estimated £150m every year in fees alone.” A state-owned online ticket retailer may recoup a decent slice of the £208m that Trainline made from passengers in Great Britain last year. But right now lowering the taxpayer subsidy may be the focus – and passengers may wait some time until a cheaper railway spells cheaper fares.
As South Western becomes the latest operator to be renationalised, there are questions about whether the changes will lead to lower fares
At the rarely experienced hour of 6.14am on Sunday, the first train to carry the Great British Railways branding will make its way out of London Waterloo to Shepperton: traversing the Surrey commuter belt emblazoned with a red, white and blue GBR logo, and proudly renationalised to boot.
The next train with the planned state body’s branding may be some years behind it. But the Labour government hopes to grab the moment to demonstrate to an increasingly impatient electorate that the wheels of change – in rail at least – are finally turning.
The first renationalisation, landing on the late May bank holiday weekend, is one of Britain’s biggest commuter services – although the trains, including the one currently getting the GBR paint job in a Bournemouth depot, will still run as South Western Railway for some time. As the first emblem of a potential new era pulls into the station, what does the shake-up mean for the rail industry – and will passengers notice the difference?
How did we get here?
Legislation to bring train operators into state hands barely needed one sheet of A4. The bigger puzzle, in which renationalisation is one crucial piece, is achieving the goal shared by all parties of an integrated railway, where track and train are managed by one directing or guiding mind.
A consultation on the plans to create a dedicated public body only finished last month – about four years after the then prime minister, Boris Johnson, announced his own Great British Railways, with his government declaring an end to a “broken system”. Even that moment was long delayed: the rail review announced after the timetabling fiasco of 2018 promised reform by 2020.
GBR proved not to be, as some once declared, dead, but it does not yet live, after an arduous, costly gestation; a 100-strong “transition team” spent £135m working on the railway’s restructuring before being quietly disbanded in March.
Industry figures insist that Labour, with the ex-Network Rail chair Peter Hendy on the inside as the rail minister, has given fresh impetus to the process despite perceptions of continued drift.
The Department for Transport (DfT) said it was “working quickly” on “fixing the railway with generational reform”, but legislation expected by the summer could slip into the autumn, and it now says GBR will be up and running in new Derby headquarters in 2027 rather than late 2026.
The first steps are yet to be officially announced but Southeastern – nationalised after an accounting scandal in 2021 – is expected next month to become the first regional integrated railway, with track and train becoming the ultimate responsibility of a single managing director in Kent.
For now, government sources say, GBR is “less of a new organisation than a standard we want railways to meet”. But as the consultation has demonstrated, important questions remain.
Who will be in charge?
Promises to move fast and fix things have not been enough to convince Sir Andrew Haines, the chief executive of Network Rail and the leader of the GBR transition team, to stave off retirement plans. That might improve the optics for those who insist GBR will not simply be a Network Rail takeover of the railway.
Whoever ends up at the helm will want to know how much they are beholden to the government and regulators. Ministers have declared, but not always demonstrated, that they do not wish to micromanage rail; and rail bosses are keen to see the Office of Rail and Road’s remit cut for a different era.
Is open access welcome or not?
Not least among the ORR’s current powers are decisions over “open access” trains, where a competing company sets up new direct trains on a specific, previously unserved route – now seen as the last gasp for private train operations.
Labour has liked to stress that nationalisation is pragmatic not ideological – with a place for open access services, which coincidentally run into “red wall” constituencies. But a slew of applications has led to the transport secretary, Heidi Alexander, sounding a more discouraging note.
Open access trains, such as Grand Central and Lumo, are supposed to stoke new passenger demand and avoid “abstraction” of revenue – or taking ticket money away from the DfT. Senior figures in rail are dubious, but others also suggest that the government should be wary of driving companies such as First Group – a British transport firm running buses and trams as well as trains – completely out of the industry.
How does devolution meet freight?
In the quest to cut carbon, backing rail freight appears a no-brainer – according to Network Rail, one freight train is the equivalent of 76 lorries on the road.
The legislation gives GBR a “duty to promote” rail freight. However, the private freight operators fear for their position when other trains are unified under the controlling brand – particularly if metro mayors can control local lines. Freight shares tracks in London that are now used intensively for Overground services; Andy Burnham, who hopes to take trains into Manchester’s Bee Network, has already spoken of his frustration at freight “trundling” through the city centre.
Will GBR end – or fuel – strikes?
For all the rhetoric over two years of industrial action, the Labour offer that ended strikes was no different from the Conservatives’ in cash terms; only conditions and context.
A nationalised railway was a big aspiration of the rail unions. But as the drivers’ union Aslef acknowledges, a fragmented, privatised railway rapidly increased its members’ wages; short-term franchises pushed some operators to poach drivers rather than fully train new ones. How pay rates work out under a single employer remains to be seen. Disputes could spread across the country more quickly in response to attempts to bear down on costs, such as extending driver-only operation of trains – let alone the next pay round.
Will the money keep flowing?
With revenues flatlining and office workers in the south-east, once the bedrock of rail finances, showing no appetite for a renewed five-day commute, taxpayer subsidies have needed to stay high, with roughly £2bn more a year to fund train operations. Next month’s spending review is unlikely to bring good news for the DfT’s budget – let alone for the future of rail infrastructure projects pledged by the previous government, which Alexander has characterised as “promising the moon on a stick”.
The Railway Industry Association has sounded a warning that even the five-year funding settlement that rail counts on could be jeopardised. Labour sources insist GBR should have more long-term funding – but RIA, representing the supply chain, said that a consultation reference to potential “mid-period reductions to funds available” would cause more concern and uncertainty.
Will GBR make things better for passengers?
If a passenger had a pound for every time a minister vowed rail reform would put them first, they could almost afford a walk-up intercity train fare.
Most benefits are indirect. Greater accountability is perhaps the critical change: as Lord Hendy has put it, one person waking up and knowing that they have to fix their bit of the railway. Regional managers will be in charge of track and train, with no one else to blame. An overview of the issues and needs of both sides should improve reliability.
Labour has also promised that a new passenger watchdog, to be created alongside GBR, will have more teeth than the current Transport Focus – or at least bark louder.
Reforming fares should be easier, with a single operator ideally making ticketing less confusing for passengers. But changes brought in under the DfT-owned LNER suggest they will not be universally popular – or protect passengers from the extraordinarily high fares to simply take the next train.
According to the DfT, “public ownership will save taxpayers up to an estimated £150m every year in fees alone.” A state-owned online ticket retailer may recoup a decent slice of the £208m that Trainline made from passengers in Great Britain last year. But right now lowering the taxpayer subsidy may be the focus – and passengers may wait some time until a cheaper railway spells cheaper fares.
Re: Taking Train Operation into public ownership - Govt planning from 4.12.2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361616/29571/51] Posted by grahame at 08:17, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I got one (actually two) emails ... titles
Action needed: do you want to keep receiving offers, discounts and travel inspiration?
and
Sorry. We fixed the link - Action needed: do you want to keep receiving offers, discounts and travel inspiration?
It seems that routine travel updates will continue, but under GDPR I have also given the current operating company to contact me occasionally with offers and ideas, and I have to do so again for the new (HMG) operator. On livery it does not need to initially change as the new setup is being done by a transfer to the First / MTR subsidiary company to the government. May be a need to remove "a subsidiary of" tag lines.
Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance In "London to the West" [361615/489/12] Posted by grahame at 08:09, 20th May 2025 Already liked by Worcester_Passenger, GBM | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Passengers who do not need to travel this evening can attempt to travel tomorrow. Tickets will be honoured.
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Road transport has not been organised. Transport in the area is extremely limited at this time of the evening.
My highlighting. Oh dear ... the use of the words "attempt to" doesn't fill one with confidence!
Re: Station lighting hours In "Across the West" [361614/30281/26] Posted by Electric train at 06:52, 20th May 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby, Mark A | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
About 20 years or so ago, when travelling on the Night Riviera most stations had their lights switched off when passing through in the early hours of the morning but recently I noticed that all stations now seen to be lit (although many towns now switch off street lights overnight). Is everywhere now lit through the night or is lighting triggered by the approach of trains?
For a TOC to switch all the platform lights off they need to close the station with locked gates, the TOC has a legal responsibility regarding safety and security of station users (fare paying or not).
The issue with dimmed platform lights which are motion activated is a passing train triggers the full power mode
Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance In "London to the West" [361613/489/12] Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:43, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Looks like a 5 car IET left Penzance around midnight and arrived in Paddington 0515
Must have been a pretty unpleasant experience all round...........and I suspect is responsible for this......
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Lostwithiel, Bodmin Parkway, Liskeard, St Germans and Saltash.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [361612/29726/18] Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:41, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 2.
Salisbury area station disruption In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [361611/30282/20] Posted by infoman at 06:39, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
at 06:30am Tuesday 20 May 2025,due to electrical power issue.
Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance In "London to the West" [361610/489/12] Posted by old original at 05:23, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Looks like a 5 car IET left Penzance around midnight and arrived in Paddington 0515
Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance In "London to the West" [361609/489/12] Posted by TaplowGreen at 03:29, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:07
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:07 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Further Information
Sadly, the 21.45 Penzance to London Paddington service is broken down near Penzance. Maintenance are on route to attempt to fix this train. ETA 23.00 at Penzance.
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Passengers who do not need to travel this evening can attempt to travel tomorrow. Tickets will be honoured.
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Road transport has not been organised. Transport in the area is extremely limited at this time of the evening.
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Re: Taking Train Operation into public ownership - Govt planning from 4.12.2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361608/29571/51] Posted by stuving at 00:30, 20th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In March, the Times reported that the new GBR branding and logo would be appearing on trains this month (May); that must be SWR. But yesterday the Sunday Times had a story that GBR's branding will not be used until services are of sufficient quality. ("Train firms must be travelling in the right direction to earn Union Jack logo.") Nothing was said about how "Limbo Rail" trains would look in the interim, nor on whether SWR has met this standard.
I also got an e-mail from SWR today about the transition, but that was on the subject "Important information - How we'll look after your data post-nationalisation". I guess that's down to statutory requirements. There is just this short bit at the start about running trains:
As you may know, on 25 May 2025, South Western Railway services will be operated by a new company – South Western Railway Limited – as part of a planned transition into public ownership.
Although the legal operator is changing, your experience won’t. You’ll continue to see the same branding, same services, and the same teams running your trains.
Although the legal operator is changing, your experience won’t. You’ll continue to see the same branding, same services, and the same teams running your trains.
I understand that one of the "new" 701s will be done up for a launch of the new livery next Monday. I don't see that as contradicting what was said by SWR or the ST article - it's just PR.
There was another. longer, article in the business bit of yesterday's ST. This was a general piece about the difficulties still to be overcome in creating GBR. It quoted a number of individuals in the industry, but I didn't see anything really new. There was a list of "expected" reversion dates not yet announced, though the dates given are the current contract end dates (core, or extension if taken).
WMT 20/9/26
EMR 18/10/26
AWC 18/10/26
CC 17/10/27
Chilt 12/12/27
GTR 1/4/28
GWR 25/6/28
Those don't fit with the government's stated plan of doing about three a year, which they see as what the team setting up OLR management organisations cane manage. The last date in 2028 even contradicts the other article, which says the last one will be in October 2027.
Re: Station lighting hours In "Across the West" [361607/30281/26] Posted by broadgage at 22:02, 19th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Some are certainly motion activated. St Erth is one such. It's not a favourite feature of mine, though a couple of tweaks in the implementation would improve it i.e. a five second ramp when they switch on and a 30 second ramp when they go down.
Mark
Mark
This would only work with LED lighting, and then only if the lights are specified as being dimmable.
Sodium or metal halide lamps cant realistically be dimmed, fluorescent and compact fluorescent lamps can only be dimmed at considerable cost and complication. Incandescent lamps are readily dimmable but little used on account of energy wasted.
Re: How to provide capacity and increase service to hourly each way via Melksham In "TransWilts line" [361606/28703/18] Posted by grahame at 17:49, 19th May 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby, GBM | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Picture - train from Wismar to Rostock (in the foreground) pulling out to pass the train from Rostock to Wismar that sits up the platform and will leave once the train going the other way to Rostock has passed it.
Even the curve of the track is right, and there is space where there used to be a second track at Melksham!
Even the curve of the track is right, and there is space where there used to be a second track at Melksham!
Here's another picture from today - I'm seated in the train from Rostock, carrying on beyond Bad Doberan and waiting there at the eastern end of the platform as the train headed to Rostock has pulled in to the western end. We left once it had passed us by on the loop.

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th May 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [361605/30273/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:31, 19th May 2025 Already liked by johnneyw | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Don't feel too bad about it, Johnneyw. I missed the reference as well - and I should have been alert to it, knowing how JayMac enjoys catching me out on Taunton.
Re: Station lighting hours In "Across the West" [361604/30281/26] Posted by Mark A at 16:28, 19th May 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Some are certainly motion activated. St Erth is one such. It's not a favourite feature of mine, though a couple of tweaks in the implementation would improve it i.e. a five second ramp when they switch on and a 30 second ramp when they go down.
Mark
Station lighting hours In "Across the West" [361603/30281/26] Posted by Zoe at 14:57, 19th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
About 20 years or so ago, when travelling on the Night Riviera most stations had their lights switched off when passing through in the early hours of the morning but recently I noticed that all stations now seen to be lit (although many towns now switch off street lights overnight). Is everywhere now lit through the night or is lighting triggered by the approach of trains?
Re: Where am I today, 17.5.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [361601/30279/30] Posted by chuffed at 14:19, 19th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Steve Marsh was at Zwolle having gone from Aachen to Zwolle in a day. He was very taken with the place. At the moment he is living it up in style on the QM2.
The only HS2 train running in this decade is an enormous gravy train
This nation has "complianced" herself into an incapability to run infrastructure projects. See also Hinckley Point, etc.
A nation, once full of energy and zeal, that built railway lines all over the globe, is now unable to build a 140 mile railway between two of her great cities
Re: Where was Finn today, 15th May 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [361597/30273/30] Posted by johnneyw at 09:57, 19th May 2025 Already liked by JayMac | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Let's see now. Is it one of those rivers that goes by the name of Avon?
Not a River Avon.
It's a river with a different style or timbre.
Ah yes. I saw what you did there but I clearly was in halfwit mode and the Tone didn't click!
Re: Where was Finn today, 15th May 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [361595/30273/30] Posted by ellendune at 23:01, 18th May 2025 Already liked by Western Pathfinder, JayMac, froome | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Taunton 5and13 Cheddon Fitzpaine ?...
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!
Quite why it's called 'Taunton 5 and 13' I've no idea. Also listed as 'Taunton 5/13'. I thought perhaps it was a distance from a certain point, perhaps the station. But 5 chains and 13 yards is only 369ft. The station is about 3000ft away.
5 Furlongs and 13 yards would be 3339 ft. 5 furlongs and 13 chains would be 4158 ft.
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [361594/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 21:21, 18th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sunday May 18
1W49 15:45 London Paddington to Great Malvern arrived Worcester Shrub Hill +5 and was cancelled thereafter "due to disorder (VA)".
1W51 16:45 London Paddington to Great Malvern was held Evesham (+14) and arrived +19.
18:57 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 21:27 was started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
It has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 43 minutes late.
This is due to the police dealing with an incident near the railway earlier today.
Last Updated:18/05/2025 20:12
1P81 18:57 Great Malvern to London Paddington was started from Shrub Hill (+29), was held at Norton (+43), arrived +47.It has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 43 minutes late.
This is due to the police dealing with an incident near the railway earlier today.
Last Updated:18/05/2025 20:12
Later...
1W08 18:45 London Paddington to Hereford (21:54) departed +18, was held Great Malvern (+42), arrived +42.
1W73 19:45 London Paddington to Great Malvern (22:16) was delayed after West Drayton, held at Wolvercote (+14), arrived +25.
1W79 21:45 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill (23:59) departed +37 and arrived +33.
Re: Where was Finn today, 15th May 2025? In "The Lighter Side" [361593/30273/30] Posted by JayMac at 18:25, 18th May 2025 Already liked by Western Pathfinder | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Taunton 5and13 Cheddon Fitzpaine ?...
Ding ding ding. We have a winner!
Quite why it's called 'Taunton 5 and 13' I've no idea. Also listed as 'Taunton 5/13'. I thought maybe it was a distance from a certain point, perhaps the station. But 5 chains and 13 yards is only 369ft. The station is about 3000ft away.
Re: Cardiff Bay Station branch In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [361592/26486/23] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:57, 18th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for your updates and pictures, johnneyw - much appreciated by those of us who are not in that area.
CfN.
Re: Cardiff Bay Station branch In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [361591/26486/23] Posted by anthony215 at 17:19, 18th May 2025 Already liked by johnneyw | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A few more photos, the last one being the intermediate new station between the bay and Queen Street.
Butetown and just further north is the new allingement and junction being built for the link towards Cardiff Central
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [361590/18719/26] Posted by Timmer at 13:58, 18th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Good news that the 12.18 PNZ-PAD will now run as scheduled through to London.
Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury In "TransWilts line" [361589/29726/18] Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:44, 18th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
18:10 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:34
18:10 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:34 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
18:10 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:34 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
With crew shortages all over the place, so far the Westbury to Swindon service is doing far better than most today, having said which even a single cancellation on that line leaves a huge gap. I have to personally wonder at why, after so many years, crew shortages seem to be almost routine and look to the management and direction (from inside and outside the TOC) for having failed to avoid such issues being so frequent, or to cynically have passed them off as an acceptable lack-of-service level.
Succinctly, because those at the upper reaches of GWR tend to be Managers rather than Leaders, and there are few better examples than this long running issue.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion In "Across the West" [361588/18719/26] Posted by Timmer at 08:58, 18th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You missed this one TG:
13:35 Newquay to London Paddington due 18:27
13:35 Newquay to London Paddington due 18:27 will be terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Exeter St Davids, Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Reading and London Paddington.
Hence my concern early because the train before also only gets as far a Plymouth. Again, let’s hope for reinstatements or it’s going to be tough going for those heading back to London later.13:35 Newquay to London Paddington due 18:27 will be terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Exeter St Davids, Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Reading and London Paddington.