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Re: Glastonbury exodus
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362799/30424/21]
Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 12:21, 30th June 2025
 
I notice to-day’s 1012 Castle Cary to Padd special - a 9 coach IET - left CC 20 late.  The ECS for this service arrived on time at 1011.  So notwithstanding the fact that this train would arrive to a platform full of people and rucksacks etc, the train planners allowed just 1 minute to load this train.

Why?

Re: Glastonbury exodus
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362798/30424/21]
Posted by Phantom at 11:51, 30th June 2025
 
It was standing room only when I boarded the 6:46 Trowbridge-Bristol service this morning due to early risers exiting the music festival (then going back to sleep on the train). Quite a few got off at Bath though and there were a few seats after that.

It didn't help that there were only 2 carriages; sometimes there are 3. I asked the train manager about this and he said he was somewhat surprised when he saw he'd only got a short formation today. He never knows what he's going to get. Perhaps they were saving the longer trains for when it gets even busier later?

That was the service I always used to get home, ironically got to BTM about the same time I would normally arrive when commuting to work from WSM
It was amusing passing the usual commuters at BTM in smart attire and me looking like death usually caked in mud

Re: Glastonbury exodus
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362797/30424/21]
Posted by Mark A at 11:39, 30th June 2025
 
Not sure what this is about: hope it doesn't mean that a non-passenger-service train has sat down in Castle Cary platform 3.

Mark

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U54327/2025-06-30/detailed

Freshford vehicle collides with bridge Monday 30 June
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [362796/30425/20]
Posted by infoman at 11:34, 30th June 2025
 
delays expected until 13:00pm.

GWR
@GWRHelp
⚠ Travel Update - 30/06 ⚠

Due to a road vehicle colliding with a bridge at Freshford, the line is blocked.

Train services between Bristol Temple Meads and Westbury via Bath Spa may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

Disruption is expected until 13:00.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362795/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 09:53, 30th June 2025
 
Monday June 30

06:43 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 08:44 will be diverted between Worcester Shrub Hill and Reading.
It has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 43 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:30

07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway due 08:46 has been delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now 17 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:18

07:25 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:02 is being delayed at Worcester Shrub Hill and is now expected to be 25 minutes late.
This is due to a points failure.
Last Updated:30/06/2025 07:44

Though the 07:25 operates via Stroud and not via Evesham.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [362794/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 09:02, 30th June 2025
 
The 002/007/009/114 are at Laira for training. There are 3 or 4 at Wolverton for refurbishment that will include livery. All the rest are at Ely until there is room at Wolverton.

Glastonbury exodus
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362793/30424/21]
Posted by matth1j at 08:34, 30th June 2025
 
It was standing room only when I boarded the 6:46 Trowbridge-Bristol service this morning due to early risers exiting the music festival (then going back to sleep on the train). Quite a few got off at Bath though and there were a few seats after that.

It didn't help that there were only 2 carriages; sometimes there are 3. I asked the train manager about this and he said he was somewhat surprised when he saw he'd only got a short formation today. He never knows what he's going to get. Perhaps they were saving the longer trains for when it gets even busier later?

How long does it take to nationalise a railway (and other public transport)?
In "Railway History and related topics" [362792/30423/55]
Posted by grahame at 08:20, 30th June 2025
 
I always remember 1st January 1948 as the day the railways were nationalised and found myself musng yesterday over how long ahead of time this was planned and how long it took.

The National Archives Catalogue tells me
On 19th November 1945 the Lord President of the Council, Rt Hon H.S. Morrison, MP, announced the Government's intention to bring under national ownership railways, canals and long distance road haulage undertakings and to co-ordinate road passenger transport, docks and harbour undertakings with the national schemes.

The Transport Bill was printed in November 1946, mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Bill1946.pdf with the act passed ane receiving royal assent 6th August 1947 and mirrored at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/HMG_Act1947.pdf

Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362791/30386/51]
Posted by Electric train at 07:46, 30th June 2025
 
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? Even a single 500ml bottle per drone trip would help, remembering that each drone should be able to make at least 20 trips an hour from say a nearby car park, and multiple drones could be used.

Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.

The time it would take to arrange the helo and getting the supplies of water to it the trains would have been evacuated and even the service restored.

The internal question I'm sure that will be asked was a too larger an area of traction current switched off, were there enough MOMs (mobile operations managers) available, at what stage did the incident move from Bronze Incident Command  Silver

Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362790/30386/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:20, 30th June 2025
 

Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrrIRr9arkM

 

Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362789/30386/51]
Posted by grahame at 05:08, 30th June 2025
 
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? ...

At Loughborough Junction - third rail - yes.  More tricky with overhead electrification?

Re: Thameslink train passengers evacuated as temperatures soar - 21 June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362788/30386/51]
Posted by broadgage at 04:31, 30th June 2025
 
Water could presumably delivered by drones ? Even a single 500ml bottle per drone trip would help, remembering that each drone should be able to make at least 20 trips an hour from say a nearby car park, and multiple drones could be used.

Enough water for train full of passengers could be delivered by helicopter. Place the bottles of water in a net slung under the machine, and lower this to the victims without landing.

Re: Parking a bus on your driveway
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362787/30420/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:52, 29th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j, RichardB
 
Another story, on similar lines.

Two drunks, very late at night, wanting to get home from the pub.  Walking past the by then deserted bus station, one of them suggested that they could use a bus to get home, and he went into the yard.  After a lot of starting and stopping engine noises, the other drunk eventually went into the yard to ask, "Mick, what are you doing?" Mick replied, "I'm trying find a Number 49".   

Re: How do the costs of delay/repay compare to the cost of reducing delays?
In "Fare's Fair" [362786/30413/4]
Posted by grahame at 21:19, 29th June 2025
 
What would be useful is a breakdown of that figure.

Indeed

Thirteen periods at £2 million per period is £26 million, so by saying £20 million for GWR to spend on sorting out its and area problems still leaves £6 million for paying out for the remaining problems.   Yes, GWR will be paying out for problems originating elsewhere ... but then others will be paying for problems originating in GWR territory.

But you're right, BobM, all we can make is a slightly informed estimate as we ask the question(s).

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362785/569/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:57, 29th June 2025
 
From Cornwall Live:

Trains cancelled in Cornwall due to herd of cows

All trains are cancelled between Liskeard and Looe



A large herd of cows on the railway in Cornwall has cancelled train services between Liskeard and Looe this afternoon (Sunday, June 29). The herd of cows was reported between Sandplace and Looe, suspending the Looe Branchline.

All trains running between Liskeard and Looe will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 5pm.

Great Western Railway said: "We apologise for the disruption to your journey today. A large herd of cows has been reported on the railway between Sandplace and Looe which means that the Looe Branchline is suspended.

"Rail replacement transport has been requested but not yet confirmed. During this disruption if you wish to use local buses as an alternative means of transport and the local bus is not accepting GWR tickets please purchase a ticket on the bus, keep it and send it, together with your train ticket, to us to claim for a refund."

Train service has since returned to normal.


Of note is that actually relevant image from Cornwall Live.

CfN. 

Car crashes through railings at Keynsham station - 29 June 2025
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362784/30422/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:38, 29th June 2025
 
From the Bristol Post:

Car crashes through railing near train tracks as 'obstruction' disrupts railway services



A reported obstruction has disrupted train services running between Bristol Temple Meads and Bath Spa this afternoon (Sunday, June 29).

Trains running between the two stations, as well as Bristol Temple Meads and London Paddington, may be cancelled, delayed or diverted. The incident is expected to impact services until 4pm.

A video taken from a train passenger shows a car has crashed through railing near the train track in Keynsham, which is thought to be causing the obstruction.

Train service has now returned to normal.


Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362783/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 20:31, 29th June 2025
 
As has been said elsewhere, GWR are a zombie franchise now, with little interest or motivation in making huge efforts in driving improvement......they are history shortly anyway.

I've seen examples elsewhere where pride & integrity have driven organisations to seek the very best for their customers right up until just before midnight, but that's never been the case in my experience on the railway, and as alluded to in previous posts on this thread, those currently in the boardroom will be more concerned with keeping those who can keep them there happy from here on in.

Nearly all TOCs are management contracts, private companies are paid a flat fee to basically do as they’re told.  Why would there be any interest or motivation?  They are all there to simply fulfil a contract obligation.

Hawk used to deter pigeons at Euston Station
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362782/30421/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:27, 29th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



Euston Station has employed a new member of staff for the next few months, and his job is solely to see off pigeons.

Oscar the Harris's hawk will fly around Euston Station once a week to deter pigeons from building nests there.

Network Rail said pigeons had become a "persistent issue" at the station, often roosting, nesting, and feeding in areas used by passengers. It said Oscar provided a "humane solution" and added: "He doesn't harm the birds but acts as a natural deterrent."

The timings and locations of Oscar's flights over the next few months will vary, to ensure the raptor's presence is a deterrent for the pigeons, and therefore effective.

Using hawks to scare off pigeons isn't new though. Network Rail has used them before, including in 2018, when Aria the Harris's hawk was brought in to divert "sandwich-thieving pigeons" at Waterloo station.

Matt Ferguson, senior station interface manager for London Euston said: "We're always looking for innovative ways to improve the station environment for our passengers, and Oscar is already proving to be a valuable member of the team."  He added that they had already seen a "noticeable drop in pigeon activity" since Oscar started his role to help "keep the station cleaner and more welcoming for everyone".

Oscar's handler, falconer Adel Letchford, said: "Oscar has taken to Euston like a pro: cool, calm, and already ruffling a few pigeon feathers. It's brilliant to see how quickly he's made an impact, the pigeons are definitely getting the message and passengers seem to love spotting him on patrol!"


Re: Where's GrahamE today - 18th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362781/30372/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:24, 29th June 2025
 
It's the same building, isn't it (albeit somewhat rebuilt and restructured)?

I'll go for https://pixabay.com/photos/oybin-zittau-mountains-train-tracks-7243600/

Chris. 

Yes - it's Oybin at the "top" of the narrow gauge steam railway from Zittau, visited 18th June.   Now - where was I yesterday?   These are two different stations ...





The Czech republic ones are Rybniste and Varnsdorf, and that narrow gauge track is part  of coaling plant at the Wolsztyn steam shed.  I have seen many other wonderful places ... and have so many more pictures, some of which I am having trouble identifying myself.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362780/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:56, 29th June 2025
 
As has been said elsewhere, GWR are a zombie franchise now, with little interest or motivation in making huge efforts in driving improvement......they are history shortly anyway.

I've seen examples elsewhere where pride & integrity have driven organisations to seek the very best for their customers right up until just before midnight, but that's never been the case in my experience on the railway, and as alluded to in previous posts on this thread, those currently in the boardroom will be more concerned with keeping those who can keep them there happy from here on in.

Re: Excursions in the other direction ...
In "Heart of Wessex" [362779/30419/19]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:39, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
When I had a student railcard in suburban London, a small group of us used to frequent the clubs up north for a while, long-distance day returns were available quite cheaply with that railcard discount. I think Newcastle one night was done, and back on the last train or staff trains early in the morning. Leeds & York were more often.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362778/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:33, 29th June 2025
 
That is eminently possible, Prime Minister :-)

The DfT only need to give 3 months notice, and GWR are already past their core dates. Opinion seems to be autumn next year currently.

Parking a bus on your driveway
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362777/30420/5]
Posted by grahame at 19:13, 29th June 2025
Already liked by RichardB, eightonedee, Surrey 455, Western Pathfinder
 
From Devon Live which I picked up from a Facebook share by another member 

Woman given 'ASBO' after row over 'bus' parked on her drive

A woman who parked a double decker bus on her drive to turn it into a cafe is being forced to move it after complaints from neighbours. Wendy Salmon put the vehicle outside her home at the end of her leafy cul-de-sac in a Surrey street on a tempoary basis to renovate it.

But she has now been slapped with an 'ASBO' type order and told to remove it - after neighbours said it was 'ruining the ambience'. She has accused neighbours of 'rallying' the others on the street against her by complaining it was an eyesore.

And despite the council accepting she was 'not breaking any laws' she has been hit with a CPN, formerly known as an ASBO, and ordered to remove it by June 20 following a bitter two year legal battle. Mother-of-two Wendy, 55, who runs a pub, described the situation as 'ridiculous' and accused neighbours of being 'curtain twitchers' who 'act like they own the street.'

I have some sympathy with Wendy Salmon ... at our former home we had a London Taxi parked on the driveway (it was our regular car) and these days we have an ambulance and a paramedic support vehicle.  We did clear that with the nearest neighbours before either arrived, and the biggest issue we have had is friends' and contacts' concerns that we're OK and not suffering medical emergencies.

This also reminds me of the story of the chap who drove his car to the pub one evening and had a few pints too many. Advised to leave the car at the pub and take the bus home.  And he said that was very wise advise, because the police were stopping cars on the road home checking for drunk drivers, but they just waved the bus through.  He found it more difficult to explain to his wife the next morning why there was a bus parked outside.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362776/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 19:13, 29th June 2025
 
In other words if I'm reading that right, to (just for example, and not exclusively) the MD of GWR, the perception is best keep your mouth shut & don't rock the boat if you wish to remain on the gravy train.

(Mixed metaphor I know, but seems appropriate!)

Not totally. I'm suggesting that the approach must be a very tempting one to many.  But it's more complex than that in that there are also many who it good faith are doing their very best in the circumstances.  If you accept my hypothesis that there are parties who are interested in having the whole thing very broken by, say, 2027 so they can make a massive popular improvement by 2029, you then have to ask how those who are trying to do their best in the meantime should act.  Both for the passengers now, and for the railways into the future.

Your comments have made me think. 

GWR could be nationalised as early as next year, with as little as 6 months notice.  I don't want to be cynical but if the DfT want to be seen as resolving issues then potentially they could reject the current proposal for Sunday working, a deal which would be seen by many as the private operator fixing the problem, keeping the proposal "filed" and then bringing it back to the table next year and then take the credit.  The hard work having been done by someone else. 

Whatever happens nationally with TOC's, there's going to be some games being played.   

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362775/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 18:55, 29th June 2025
 
In other words if I'm reading that right, to (just for example, and not exclusively) the MD of GWR, the perception is best keep your mouth shut & don't rock the boat if you wish to remain on the gravy train.

(Mixed metaphor I know, but seems appropriate!)

Not totally. I'm suggesting that the approach must be a very tempting one to many.  But it's more complex than that in that there are also many who it good faith are doing their very best in the circumstances.  If you accept my hypothesis that there are parties who are interested in having the whole thing very broken by, say, 2027 so they can make a massive popular improvement by 2029, you then have to ask how those who are trying to do their best in the meantime should act.  Both for the passengers now, and for the railways into the future.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362774/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:36, 29th June 2025
 
Scenario - you are looking to take over an organisation / setup and give it a new lease of life, and you want that new lease of life to be popular with your customers, especially when it comes to them reviewing what you've done in a couple of years.   Now - how can you make the *most* improvements?   The lower you can start, the biggest mess you have to clear up, the more improvements there are available for you to make and look good in the eyes of customers.

Should the existing workforce - the people who already run the organisation - be directly or indirectly in your pay, or wish to be employed or continue to have an active position in the future, they'll need to be very wary indeed about being critical of this rundown, won't they?   They'll even tell you there's no problem at the moment ...




The above are some highly generalised thoughts, but I just wonder how much they might be applied to some of the things we see going on in the rail sector at the moment - looking at who and how the remaining TOCs work, on what various contrators within the sysme do, and how associated organisions like the ORR, Transport Focus, the Community Rail Network and Partnerships - all majority funded by the organisation that is taking over the reins - might fit within those thoughts. Just a wonder - may there be a seed of truth in suggesting a linkage to the current appalling mess and a product which, certainly here in Melksham isn't fit for purpose at present?

In other words if I'm reading that right, to (just for example, and not exclusively) the MD of GWR, the perception is best keep your mouth shut & don't rock the boat if you wish to remain on the gravy train.

(Mixed metaphor I know, but seems appropriate!)

Excursions in the other direction ...
In "Heart of Wessex" [362773/30419/19]
Posted by grahame at 18:31, 29th June 2025
 
from the Dorset Echo

... one could go to Bristol, leaving Weymouth at 4.30pm and returning from Bristol Temple Meads at 11.40 pm, giving one the opportunity to see a show at one of the city’s many theatres.

A colleague of mine who was a young man pre-war said it was thoroughly enjoyable experience for 2/6d.

Re: Melk to Melksham - 1000 miles (mostly) by train
In "TransWilts line" [362772/30416/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:36, 29th June 2025
 
Admittedly it’s only a small saving but if you had got your senior railcard added to your Oyster card, you would have saved a third on your trip from St Pancras to Paddington.

And ... I could have saved myself the whole sum using my bus pass - except that now involves a change along the way. RIP - 205.   The tube (OK - not quite - "the underground") was a zoo that would have put off those ofna nervous disposition yesterday.  Fortunately I can still use stairs and didn't have to join the queues for the lifts.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362771/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:34, 29th June 2025
 
Maybe they are waiting for GBR to be legally formed?

It's only SGBR at the moment. There's a big Government Bill due to give it powers

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362770/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 17:18, 29th June 2025
 
Scenario - you are looking to take over an organisation / setup and give it a new lease of life, and you want that new lease of life to be popular with your customers, especially when it comes to them reviewing what you've done in a couple of years.   Now - how can you make the *most* improvements?   The lower you can start, the biggest mess you have to clear up, the more improvements there are available for you to make and look good in the eyes of customers.

Should the existing workforce - the people who already run the organisation - be directly or indirectly in your pay, or wish to be employed or continue to have an active position in the future, they'll need to be very wary indeed about being critical of this rundown, won't they?   They'll even tell you there's no problem at the moment ...




The above are some highly generalised thoughts, but I just wonder how much they might be applied to some of the things we see going on in the rail sector at the moment - looking at who and how the remaining TOCs work, on what various contrators within the sysme do, and how associated organisions like the ORR, Transport Focus, the Community Rail Network and Partnerships - all majority funded by the organisation that is taking over the reins - might fit within those thoughts. Just a wonder - may there be a seed of truth in suggesting a linkage to the current appalling mess and a product which, certainly here in Melksham isn't fit for purpose at present?

Look at South Western Railway - any other private operator launches with a new livery etc.  Not GBR. They launch with a sticker that is along the lines of “GBR - coming soon”

I’d be very wary of that. It’s almost like GBR don’t want to be seen accountable for SWR, makes the cynical wonder what’s going to happen.

 
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