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| Re: GWR accused of disrupting Wales-England train links In "Across the West" [375933/32097/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:58, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
There still are summer Saturday trains from Pembroke Dock to London Paddington - today's at 10:02 and 15:02
https://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/25448/from-the-archive-the-fishguard-boat-express/ is an interesting potted history of the Fishguard train but does not give an exact date it last ran. From https://historseye.wordpress.com/2017/03/26/britains-last-boat-trains/:
From the Western Telegraph:
https://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/25448/from-the-archive-the-fishguard-boat-express/ is an interesting potted history of the Fishguard train but does not give an exact date it last ran. From https://historseye.wordpress.com/2017/03/26/britains-last-boat-trains/:
Fishguard was famously served by Great Western HSTs from London Paddington until 2003
From the Western Telegraph:
Welsh Labour has pledged to deliver a direct rail connection between Milford Haven and London as part of its wider plan to improve public transport and boost regional connectivity.
There were a number of Wales and West services into London Waterloo to support Eurostar when it ran from there from places such as Manchester and Maesteg - and I have vague memories that there might have been one from Milford Haven? Otherwise it was a long time agoIronically.......
08:48 London Paddington to Pembroke Dock due 13:50
08:48 London Paddington to Pembroke Dock due 13:50 was terminated at Swansea.
It will no longer call at Llanelli, Pembrey & Burry Port, Carmarthen, Whitland, Saundersfoot, Tenby, Manorbier, Pembroke and Pembroke Dock.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
15:02 Pembroke Dock to London Paddington due 20:13
15:02 Pembroke Dock to London Paddington due 20:13 will be started from Swansea.
It will no longer call at Pembroke Dock, Pembroke, Lamphey, Manorbier, Penally, Tenby, Saundersfoot, Kilgetty, Narberth, Whitland, Carmarthen, Pembrey & Burry Port and Llanelli.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
| Re: GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026 In "Fare's Fair" [375932/32128/4] Posted by ChrisB at 12:18, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
So what's the availability on these? Any empty 1st class off-peak seat? How do you know that the seat isn't already reserved further down the line?
Worth checking these before buying a Seatfrog upgrade I guess - you don't want a Seatfrog where the 1U1 fare is less....
| Re: Daily services extended to give wider through trains In "Across the West" [375931/32114/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 12:15, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
Last Saturday and today GWR have cancelled all London-Paignton trains advising travellers to change trains where necessary.
Just to clarify, these are planned cancellations due to the Berks & Hants Line closure for engineering works.
A shame that some form of shuttle service couldn't have operated between Paignton and Exeter/Taunton or perhaps even Westbury.
Normal service resumes from next weekend.
| Re: GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026 In "Fare's Fair" [375930/32128/4] Posted by plymothian at 11:41, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
Mid-week first upgrades are essentially the same as Weekend First upgrades for Monday - Friday. They're generally 2x the price of a Weekend First, and have a child fare which is half the adult price (whereas FWF are flat fares whether adult or child).
If you look on BRFares, they're the GWR WEEKDAY UPG 1U1 fares.
Originally introduced as a fare-by-fare equivalent, ie a SSS > 1U1 was dearer than an SOS > 1U1, but changed to a flat fare, so SSS > 1U1 is more value for money.
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375929/32117/4] Posted by ChrisB at 10:56, 13th June 2026 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
Evenings start at 1700.....that's the etiquette time for saying "Good Evening", rather than "Good Afternoon" or "Good Day"
| Re: Daily services extended to give wider through trains In "Across the West" [375928/32114/26] Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:44, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
Last Saturday and today GWR have cancelled all London-Paignton trains advising travellers to change trains where necessary.
Just to clarify, these are planned cancellations due to the Berks & Hants Line closure for engineering works.
A shame that some form of shuttle service couldn't have operated between Paignton and Exeter/Taunton or perhaps even Westbury.
Normal service resumes from next weekend.
| Re: GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026 In "Fare's Fair" [375927/32128/4] Posted by ChrisB at 10:40, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
What are mid-week First Upgrades? Not sure they've been discussed/mentioned before?
Also, Avanti's 1st class are going up 10% too....
| GWR First Class fares increases 5 July 2026 In "Fare's Fair" [375926/32128/4] Posted by plymothian at 10:33, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
GWR are increasing most their owned first class fares by 5% from 5 July 2026, including advance fares.
Additionally, Weekend First and mid-week first upgrades will increase by £5 across the board.
| Re: Bridge strike 11/6/26 WCML between Rugby and Nuneaton In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [375925/32118/51] Posted by John D at 10:09, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
A number of photos have been circulated showing the Mercedes truck with private registration plate both at the scene, and the road after it went.
Hopefully Network Rail reclaim cost of the bridge rebuild and their direct losses (costs of compensation to Operators)
Doesn't appear many news stories mentioned delay repay, and railway Operators sites often seem to only mention it at end of many paragraphs about disruption rather than prominent.
I guess Operators get compensation from Network Rail, and any losses on Delay Repay are effectively covered by DfT anyway.
| Re: Daily services extended to give wider through trains In "Across the West" [375924/32114/26] Posted by GBM at 09:57, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
Last Saturday and today GWR have cancelled all London-Paignton trains advising travellers to change trains where necessary. Today of the seven diagrams covering Paignton-Exmouth the are four two car 150s diagrams The others being 2 x 3 car turbos and a 3 car 158) on the busiest day of the week.
Two morning Paddington to Penzance trains both 5 cars!Why not aim higher?
I'd say it was closer to 80% in my day.
I'd say it was closer to 80% in my day.
As I understand it, there I much more freedom to choose your child's school these days and so the travel distances have gone up, and walking and cycling may be practical for less. I was, perhaps, unusual but not unique in travelling by train to school - Petts Wood to Sydenham Hill and then to Sevenoaks, totally beyond walking distance - but walking to and from the stations. On rare occasions, I cycled to Sevenoaks but even in those days the roads were far from cycle friendly. I have vague recollections of there being Mum's or Dad's taxis used for some at both schools, but as I used other entrances, I have no idea of volume.
Just on Thursday afternoon, I saw the 555 bus arrive at the top of our street and drop off half a dozen school children from Corsham. This is a double deck school service and I understand it is very fully loaded - to the extent that there is no encouragement to market it further though general public may use it if they wish. Other buses and coaches pick up from Melksham Market Place and it's educational to see the volumes picked up there on a school day for various other towns on both early service buses and special school runs.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said: "Too many people would like to walk, wheel or cycle more often but don't feel they have safe and convenient options to do so."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
Dead right. It needs to be safe and practical. Our local secondary school has recently had a "new" path opened from the new build estates to the school, at massive expense (many consider it over-engineered) and that save a long walk around 3 sides of a square, including o a shared cycle and walking path on the side of the A365 which is really far too narrow for the traffic it was taking. Interesting, I write "new" - there has been a public footpath across the fields since before the school was located there, but it was rarely used by any school child; I can recall just one occasion when out walking the dog, mid-winter - seeing a boy using it, and stepping in and through the mud getting his shoes and trousers covered.
Drop off time may be an issue; pick up time is worse with all the parents arriving early to be there and close to save the little darlings having to walk too far. Car parking is inadequate for pickup, and unrestricted roads close to the school become linear car parks for a while.
Interesting observation, used to be a school Governor in Kingston upon Thames, and had similar problem with parents parking in afternoon, or dropping off (including on yellow zig zags). A couple of random visits couple per year from a camera equipped enforcement van at school times, instantly improved things. Bet parents WhatsApp groups soon passed on message about dozens getting fines in post. However I have never seen a parking enforcement van in Wiltshire (just mobile speeding enforcement camera vans), so guessing lack of enforcement is effectively allowing bad parking to be normalised
As for walking on footpaths, although the walking distances for Primary and Secondary schools go back to the Education Act 1944 (when planning post war aims). There is a rule about safe paths, which in modern case law is basically those lit and reasonably surfaced. Therefore the muddy path across a field wouldn't be counted for home to school distance (and this usually applies to admissions criteria too when distance is decider of if places available)
The latest available data has 50% of children being driven to school - that's a 23% increase over 20 years ago.
Probably no coincidence that children are getting much fatter too - 1 in 5 10 year olds are obese, that's frankly terrifying for future health.
| Re: South Western Railway "not good enough" since nationalisation In "South Western services" [375920/32126/42] Posted by grahame at 08:33, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
........according to Heidi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c802vv2vr8yo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c802vv2vr8yo
The Transport Secretary has admitted that South Western Railway (SWR) services have not been good enough since the franchise was renationalised.
Heidi Alexander, MP for Swindon South, told the House of Commons that the government would "leave no stone unturned" in making sure that the public had "a better travelling experience in the future".
Her comments came in response to a complaint by Woking's Liberal Democrat MP, Will Forster.
Heidi Alexander, MP for Swindon South, told the House of Commons that the government would "leave no stone unturned" in making sure that the public had "a better travelling experience in the future".
Her comments came in response to a complaint by Woking's Liberal Democrat MP, Will Forster.
South Western Railway have performance graphs on their website. Currently showing data up to period 1 (2026/27) - April into May 2026


| South Western Railway "not good enough" since nationalisation In "South Western services" [375919/32126/42] Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:13, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
........according to Heidi
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c802vv2vr8yo
| Re: Daily services extended to give wider through trains In "Across the West" [375918/32114/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 07:59, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
Last Saturday and today GWR have cancelled all London-Paignton trains advising travellers to change trains where necessary. Today of the seven diagrams covering Paignton-Exmouth the are four two car 150s diagrams The others being 2 x 3 car turbos and a 3 car 158) on the busiest day of the week.
From our MP's Newsletter (Brian Mathew, MP for Melksham and Devizes)
Speaking Up for Better Rail Services
This week I spoke during the Railways Bill debate in Parliament to make the case for better rail services across Wiltshire.
Wiltshire sits on a substantial rail network, yet too often our communities are simply passed through rather than properly served.
I highlighted the fact that Melksham still receives an average of only one train every two hours despite significant population growth, while over 30,000 people living around Devizes remain without direct rail access despite railway lines passing close by.
I argued that if the Government is serious about economic growth, sustainable transport and reducing congestion, then rural counties like Wiltshire must not be left behind.
That means improving services, supporting plans for Devizes Gateway Station, delivering more frequent local rail connections and ensuring that market towns can benefit from the opportunities that rail can bring.
Rail investment should not be reserved solely for major cities. Rural communities deserve modern, reliable and frequent public transport too.
This week I spoke during the Railways Bill debate in Parliament to make the case for better rail services across Wiltshire.
Wiltshire sits on a substantial rail network, yet too often our communities are simply passed through rather than properly served.
I highlighted the fact that Melksham still receives an average of only one train every two hours despite significant population growth, while over 30,000 people living around Devizes remain without direct rail access despite railway lines passing close by.
I argued that if the Government is serious about economic growth, sustainable transport and reducing congestion, then rural counties like Wiltshire must not be left behind.
That means improving services, supporting plans for Devizes Gateway Station, delivering more frequent local rail connections and ensuring that market towns can benefit from the opportunities that rail can bring.
Rail investment should not be reserved solely for major cities. Rural communities deserve modern, reliable and frequent public transport too.
Not a one-off call from Dr Mathew - he is consistent in his calls along these lines, and IMHO what he calls for makes sense and is practical to be done and to be financially, environmentally and quality-of-life effective.
Why not aim higher?
I'd say it was closer to 80% in my day.
I'd say it was closer to 80% in my day.
As I understand it, there I much more freedom to choose your child's school these days and so the travel distances have gone up, and walking and cycling may be practical for less. I was, perhaps, unusual but not unique in travelling by train to school - Petts Wood to Sydenham Hill and then to Sevenoaks, totally beyond walking distance - but walking to and from the stations. On rare occasions, I cycled to Sevenoaks but even in those days the roads were far from cycle friendly. I have vague recollections of there being Mum's or Dad's taxis used for some at both schools, but as I used other entrances, I have no idea of volume.
Just on Thursday afternoon, I saw the 555 bus arrive at the top of our street and drop off half a dozen school children from Corsham. This is a double deck school service and I understand it is very fully loaded - to the extent that there is no encouragement to market it further though general public may use it if they wish. Other buses and coaches pick up from Melksham Market Place and it's educational to see the volumes picked up there on a school day for various other towns on both early service buses and special school runs.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said: "Too many people would like to walk, wheel or cycle more often but don't feel they have safe and convenient options to do so."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
Dead right. It needs to be safe and practical. Our local secondary school has recently had a "new" path opened from the new build estates to the school, at massive expense (many consider it over-engineered) and that save a long walk around 3 sides of a square, including o a shared cycle and walking path on the side of the A365 which is really far too narrow for the traffic it was taking. Interesting, I write "new" - there has been a public footpath across the fields since before the school was located there, but it was rarely used by any school child; I can recall just one occasion when out walking the dog, mid-winter - seeing a boy using it, and stepping in and through the mud getting his shoes and trousers covered.
Drop off time may be an issue; pick up time is worse with all the parents arriving early to be there and close to save the little darlings having to walk too far. Car parking is inadequate for pickup, and unrestricted roads close to the school become linear car parks for a while.
The primary school which is about half a mile from our home (and was in my ward when I was a Town Councillor) has a serious issue. It's on a residential cut-de-sac off the main road into / out of town - loads of "no parking" bollards and there is - now - a new pelican crossing over the main road, so that people park in the housing opposite with the residents there less than thrilled. Talk of yellow lines, work being done on getting more children to walk, etc. The pub on the corner which has a large car park and the school community don't get on - I don't know the history in detail - but there's a chain across at school times and a large virtually empty tarmac area that should really be dual-use IMHO.
Other primary schools, such as the newer one in the East of Melksham estates, have similar problems with not only healthy getting to school but safety with all those cars and frustration from the residents (who knew the school was / would be there when they bought / rented). I recall an approach from one of the school teachers looking to introduce her class to bus use and asking me where she could take them. But the nearest and only practical bus stop only has services at 10:15 and 12:15 and they only go to the Town Centre - there are 3 return services in the afternoon that *will* go round past that stop if there are passengers on board to be dropped off.
| Re: GWR accused of disrupting Wales-England train links In "Across the West" [375915/32097/26] Posted by grahame at 05:46, 13th June 2026 | ![]() |
There still are summer Saturday trains from Pembroke Dock to London Paddington - today's at 10:02 and 15:02
https://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/25448/from-the-archive-the-fishguard-boat-express/ is an interesting potted history of the Fishguard train but does not give an exact date it last ran. From https://historseye.wordpress.com/2017/03/26/britains-last-boat-trains/:
Fishguard was famously served by Great Western HSTs from London Paddington until 2003
From the Western Telegraph:
Welsh Labour has pledged to deliver a direct rail connection between Milford Haven and London as part of its wider plan to improve public transport and boost regional connectivity.
There were a number of Wales and West services into London Waterloo to support Eurostar when it ran from there from places such as Manchester and Maesteg - and I have vague memories that there might have been one from Milford Haven? Otherwise it was a long time ago| Re: GWR accused of disrupting Wales-England train links In "Across the West" [375914/32097/26] Posted by infoman at 02:43, 13th June 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
Questions
Were their ever through services to London from Pembroke Dock or Milford haven in the last fifty years?
When did the West Wales(boat train) service cease between the port to Bristol Parkway which is now the 05:00 am ish service to London.
I still have the London to Fishguard journey video from 2002.
| Re: Richard Burningham MBE - retiring manager of the Devon & Cornwall Partnership In "Who's who on Western railways" [375912/6017/2] Posted by grahame at 21:59, 12th June 2026 | ![]() |
And another good - and varied - review ...
https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/26188799.richard-burningham-leaves-devon-cornwall-rail-role/
Why not aim higher?
I'd say it was closer to 80% in my day.
From the BBC:
Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035
At least 60% of children in England should be walking or cycling to school within a decade under the government's new active travel plans.
Ministers say millions more five-to-16-year-olds will be able to travel by foot or bike using thousands of safer routes promised under its "record" £4.5bn investment strategy.
At least half of all short trips in towns and cities should also be walked, wheeled or cycled by 2035 and a "national walking and cycling network" will be available on route mapping apps within five years, under the plans.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the strategy sought to make active travel "a practical choice for millions more journeys".
The latest government data, from 2023, suggested that 47% of children aged five to 16 usually walk or cycle to school.
Some 5,000 walking, wheeling and cycling routes and 10,000 "safer" crossings will be built by 2030 to meet the new target, the Department for Transport (DfT) said, which will be delivered alongside local authorities and Active Travel England.
There will be £135m spent on programmes training children to walk and cycle safely to school, and to help schools develop travel plans - although it is already commonplace that they encourage pupils to avoid car journeys.
Ministers also want 55% of short trips to be active by 2035 - including what is described as a "stage" of a journey, such as walking or cycling to onward public transport. The current level is 48%, according to the DfT.
The increase would mean 5.3m more people being physically active in towns and cities, ministers say.
The strategy also sets out plans to develop a national active travel network that is "usable at a national scale", including consistent signage and availability online alongside the road network.
The Walk Wheel Cycle Trust, which promotes active travel, welcomed the "ambitious" new schools target, "that rightly includes secondary school pupils and explicitly recognises cycling".
"This represents a significant step forward in creating lasting benefits for children and young people," policy chief Rachel White said.
The Cycle to Work Alliance said safe infrastructure and affordable access to such travel routes were needed to change behaviour, "and this strategy is an important step towards delivering both".
Charity Living Streets described the plans as "bigger and braver" than previous strategies.
The announcement "recognises the power walking and wheeling holds to improve public health, boost local economies and bring communities together," the group's chief executive, Catherine Woodhead, added.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said: "Too many people would like to walk, wheel or cycle more often but don't feel they have safe and convenient options to do so."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
Health Secretary James Murray said the plan would "help more people build exercise into their everyday lives, improving public health and supporting our ambition to reduce pressure on the NHS".
Transport is largely devolved in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, meaning the plan does not apply to these parts of the UK.
The previous Welsh Labour government had said 45% of journeys should be by "sustainable modes" by 2040, with active school travel playing a key part - though a Senedd committee warned in December that progress towards that figure had been "painfully slow".
Northern Ireland had set a target for 20% of all journeys shorter than one mile (1.6km) be cycled by 2025 and, under its 2022 Climate Change Act, committed to spending 10% of its transport budget on active travel. Its national audit office warned in September that neither target appeared to have been met.
Scotland is aiming for walking and cycling to be the most popular choice for short journeys by 2030. Government data suggests levels have stayed roughly the same since 2012, at 1-2% for cycling and around 50% for walking respectively.
At least 60% of children in England should be walking or cycling to school within a decade under the government's new active travel plans.
Ministers say millions more five-to-16-year-olds will be able to travel by foot or bike using thousands of safer routes promised under its "record" £4.5bn investment strategy.
At least half of all short trips in towns and cities should also be walked, wheeled or cycled by 2035 and a "national walking and cycling network" will be available on route mapping apps within five years, under the plans.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the strategy sought to make active travel "a practical choice for millions more journeys".
The latest government data, from 2023, suggested that 47% of children aged five to 16 usually walk or cycle to school.
Some 5,000 walking, wheeling and cycling routes and 10,000 "safer" crossings will be built by 2030 to meet the new target, the Department for Transport (DfT) said, which will be delivered alongside local authorities and Active Travel England.
There will be £135m spent on programmes training children to walk and cycle safely to school, and to help schools develop travel plans - although it is already commonplace that they encourage pupils to avoid car journeys.
Ministers also want 55% of short trips to be active by 2035 - including what is described as a "stage" of a journey, such as walking or cycling to onward public transport. The current level is 48%, according to the DfT.
The increase would mean 5.3m more people being physically active in towns and cities, ministers say.
The strategy also sets out plans to develop a national active travel network that is "usable at a national scale", including consistent signage and availability online alongside the road network.
The Walk Wheel Cycle Trust, which promotes active travel, welcomed the "ambitious" new schools target, "that rightly includes secondary school pupils and explicitly recognises cycling".
"This represents a significant step forward in creating lasting benefits for children and young people," policy chief Rachel White said.
The Cycle to Work Alliance said safe infrastructure and affordable access to such travel routes were needed to change behaviour, "and this strategy is an important step towards delivering both".
Charity Living Streets described the plans as "bigger and braver" than previous strategies.
The announcement "recognises the power walking and wheeling holds to improve public health, boost local economies and bring communities together," the group's chief executive, Catherine Woodhead, added.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said: "Too many people would like to walk, wheel or cycle more often but don't feel they have safe and convenient options to do so."
"This is about creating healthier communities, helping households keep more money in their pockets and building a transport network that works better for everyone."
Health Secretary James Murray said the plan would "help more people build exercise into their everyday lives, improving public health and supporting our ambition to reduce pressure on the NHS".
Transport is largely devolved in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, meaning the plan does not apply to these parts of the UK.
The previous Welsh Labour government had said 45% of journeys should be by "sustainable modes" by 2040, with active school travel playing a key part - though a Senedd committee warned in December that progress towards that figure had been "painfully slow".
Northern Ireland had set a target for 20% of all journeys shorter than one mile (1.6km) be cycled by 2025 and, under its 2022 Climate Change Act, committed to spending 10% of its transport budget on active travel. Its national audit office warned in September that neither target appeared to have been met.
Scotland is aiming for walking and cycling to be the most popular choice for short journeys by 2030. Government data suggests levels have stayed roughly the same since 2012, at 1-2% for cycling and around 50% for walking respectively.
It was a pleasure working as a volunteer with Richard leading during the opening week of the Penryn loop and the expansion of the Falmouth line services that resulted from it's opening. (quite how he trusted me with the Hornby set I really can't imagine). Do enjoy your retirement Richard.
| Re: On luggage In "Introductions and chat" [375908/32122/1] Posted by Ralph Ayres at 20:54, 12th June 2026 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Oxonhutch, Western Pathfinder, grahame, GBM | ![]() |
I stayed in a budget hotel last night which had a real bath, quite a rare luxury nowadays and probably only because the bathroom hadn't been updated for a while. It was missing the plug however and I couldn't be bothered to go to reception to see if they had one. Ended up placing a mug carefully over the hole to have a good soak and wishing I still carried a universal one as I used to in my youth when I could find myself having a full wash in all sorts of unsuitable places with a sink only intended for rinsing hands (trains, youth hostels etc).
That plug, a toothbrush and the InterCity timetable booklet were always in my work bag in case of one of the spur-of-the-moment trips I sometimes indulged in back when I was young and foolish.
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375907/32117/4] Posted by stuving at 20:17, 12th June 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
We have the railways to thank for the introduction of a "universal" common time across Britain - but we now seem to be going backwards again.
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
I doubt anyone would say their evening out starts at 12:00. It must be more like the earliest start needed for an evening out - most likely in London, for SWR. It took me a while to twig I could use one of these for a Lunch and afternoon trip to Reading. Obviously for longer journeys it will be more limited to a proper evening out - but then they are not sold for beyond Basingstoke (and not all get super off-peak either)!
| Re: GWR Evening Day Returns, Exeter area trial. In "Fare's Fair" [375906/32117/4] Posted by grahame at 20:05, 12th June 2026 | ![]() |
We have the railways to thank for the introduction of a "universal" common time across Britain - but we now seem to be going backwards again.
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
GWR is introducing an "evening" ticket which starts at 1800.............but SWR already have an "evening" ticket which starts at 1200. Perhaps the new fangled Great British Railways will be able to agree to a common nationwide time at which the "evening" is deemed to start !
An online look tells us:
Evenings begins when the sun is low on the horizon, following dusk and twilight, and often concludes when it is time to go to bed
Logic, then, is for evening tickets to be available for journeys completed less than 120 minutes before sunset, which is a defined, published, respected time for every place across the UK and is updated thoroughly in multiple places. since "time to go to bed" is typically when you get home, the return should be through to end of service, and perhaps extended to the first service in the morning.














