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16.7.2025 (Wednesday) 16:02 - All running AOK
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Re: Bath and Wiltshire Metro
In "TransWilts line" [363250/30454/18]
Posted by grahame at 15:43, 16th July 2025
 
I would appreciate some clarification of what the MP means by "two trains per hour through Melksham station"

a) We already get two trains an hour through Melksham station, sometimes more. The vast majority of them are however freight trains, the remainder mostly being IETs on diversion.

b) Did the MP's script writer actually mean him to say two trains an hour STOPPING at Melksham station? Because that would be very welcome indeed.

c) Of these theoretical two passenger trains an hour that we have now established not only pass through Melksham but may actually stop, do they stop to pick up AND put down passengers?

Disclaimer: I don't trust ANY MPs, so I'm not attempting to score political points here

See  https://www.passenger.chat/t30027.html and  https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/04-NathanSealey_Amey.pdf - next to last slide

* Frome to Chippenham (local):
2tph Frome-Westbury-Trowbridge-Melksham-Chippenham

Which is two trains calling at Melksham to both pick up and to drop off passengers in each direction - a service every 30 minutes.  It's what's needed for a true metro 'turn up and go' service.


Re: Bath and Wiltshire Metro
In "TransWilts line" [363249/30454/18]
Posted by Phil at 15:19, 16th July 2025
 
I would appreciate some clarification of what the MP means by "two trains per hour through Melksham station"

a) We already get two trains an hour through Melksham station, sometimes more. The vast majority of them are however freight trains, the remainder mostly being IETs on diversion.

b) Did the MP's script writer actually mean him to say two trains an hour STOPPING at Melksham station? Because that would be very welcome indeed.

c) Of these theoretical two passenger trains an hour that we have now established not only pass through Melksham but may actually stop, do they stop to pick up AND put down passengers?

Disclaimer: I don't trust ANY MPs, so I'm not attempting to score political points here

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [363248/18719/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:03, 16th July 2025
 
An additional premium on top of the premium already offered for working days has been agreed from Monday 27th July for a year for drivers.

Re: Halifax - Keighley cycle route through tunnel?
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [363247/19192/50]
Posted by CyclingSid at 13:23, 16th July 2025
 
A decision https://bsky.app/profile/transportaction.bsky.social/post/3ltzatr2g6k2q

Sorry I haven't donated to The Guardian so don't have any more detail.

Cancellations 28 July - 29 August
In "South Western services" [363246/30455/42]
Posted by Fourbee at 11:55, 16th July 2025
 
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/timetables

There are cancellations/removals already in the journey planners (not minor IMO):

Summer 2025 timetables

There will be minor alterations to our May 2025 timetable, on the following routes, from Monday 28 July until Friday 29 August:

    Alton
    Chessington South
    Guildford via Cobham & Stoke D’Abernon
    Guildford via Woking
    Hampton Court
    London Waterloo via Richmond
    Reading
    Shepperton
    Weybridge via Chertsey
    Windsor & Eton Riverside
    Woking (stopping services)

Please plan ahead using our journey planner.


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363245/489/12]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:47, 16th July 2025
 
Would the sleeper fit (including the inwards loco)?
Platform 3 at Reading is 125m, how long is the sleeper nowadays?

Much longer than that!

Re: Bath and Wiltshire Metro
In "TransWilts line" [363244/30454/18]
Posted by Clan Line at 10:38, 16th July 2025
 

"A new platform at Westbury" (my highlighting)

I assume this actually means reinstating the old Platform 1. An article in Rail magazine in 2015 quoted a cost of £10.5 million to do this at that time. How much nowadays ?  I suppose we could claim that we are getting our own Wiltshire version of HS2.............at least as far as costings go !

Re: Bath and Wiltshire Metro
In "TransWilts line" [363243/30454/18]
Posted by matth1j at 10:04, 16th July 2025
 
* Two trains per hour through Melksham Station
Just to clarify - that's in total (ie. hourly services to Chippenham/Trowbridge), rather than in one specific direction (half-hourly)?


Re: Campaign for Tavistock reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [363242/804/28]
Posted by Andy at 08:34, 16th July 2025
Already liked by alexross42, Witham Bobby, Chris from Nailsea, Andy E, TonyK
 
Several news articles are reporting that campaigners are stepping up their bid to unlock funding for Tavistock by playing the defence and housing cards, tying the project to the expansion of Devonport dockyard as part of the planned incease in defence spending , plus the plans for new housing and the issue of overcongested roads They are also arguing for a new station at Plympton and proposing a Tavistock-Ivybridge via Devonport and Plymouth metro-style service.
With the mid-Devon metro, Exeter has set a very good example of how existing railways can be successfully reconfigured around a regional hub. Bristol is doing the same. Cornwall, too, on a more modest scale. Fingers crossed that Plymouth can follow suit.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [363238/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:25, 16th July 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury

Due to a fault with the signalling system the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until 08:30 16/07.
Train services between Reading and Newbury may be cancelled or delayed.

Customer Advice
Due to a fault with the signalling system, trains are currently suspended between Reading and Newbury.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363237/489/12]
Posted by 1st fan at 23:07, 15th July 2025
 
Would the sleeper fit (including the inwards loco)?
Platform 3 at Reading is 125m, how long is the sleeper nowadays?

Bath and Wiltshire Metro
In "TransWilts line" [363236/30454/18]
Posted by grahame at 21:49, 15th July 2025
Already liked by Red Squirrel, Chris from Nailsea, rogerw
 
From our MP (Brian Mathew), posted 15th July 2025 on Facebook

Exciting project for local rail!

Yesterday, I had the pleasure of chairing the very first stakeholder meeting for the Bath & Wiltshire Metro at Melksham Assembly Hall. Joined by representatives from Network Rail, Wiltshire & B&NES councils, local town councils, and the Western Gateway Transport Board, we mapped out an ambitious vision for our region’s rail future:
* Two trains per hour through Melksham Station
* New stations at Corsham and Devizes Gateway
* Better links between housing, public transport, and active travel routes — making it easier to leave the car at home!

The good news? Plans are already moving forward. Western Gateway and Network Rail are working on key infrastructure upgrades, including:
* A new platform at Westbury
* Increased rail capacity through Melksham
This is about much more than trains. It’s about cutting congestion, opening up opportunities, and tackling the climate emergency.

* I’ll keep campaigning hard to make sure our communities get the modern, reliable transport links we need — now and for the future.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363235/489/12]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:56, 15th July 2025
 
Would the sleeper fit (including the inwards loco)?

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363234/489/12]
Posted by grahame at 20:54, 15th July 2025
 
How long is platform 3 in terms of coach-lengths?

6.35

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363233/489/12]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:03, 15th July 2025
 
How long is platform 3 in terms of coach-lengths?

Re: Swanage Railway - merged posts and ongoing discussion
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [363232/2353/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:24, 15th July 2025
 
From the BBC:

Steam railway 'causes seventh summer fire'



A steam train on a heritage line has caused a seventh fire by the attraction this summer, a fire service has said.

Dorset & Wiltshire Fire Service sent three vehicles to a field blaze near Corfe Castle at about 13:15 BST on Monday. It said the fire was quickly put out and crews spent some time damping down.

Swanage Railway, which operates between Swanage and Norden - via Corfe, has been approached for comment.

According to its website on Tuesday, the line is currently running heritage diesel rather than steam trains due to a "high fire risk".

In a statement, the fire service said: "It is believed to have been caused by the steam train. Since 1 June 2025, we've had seven similar incidents reported in this area."

Temperatures have now cooled following the UK's third heatwave of the year. Highs of 20C (68F) are expected in Corfe Castle on Tuesday.


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363231/489/12]
Posted by grahame at 17:59, 15th July 2025
 
In the case of the Up sleeper I'm not sure being dumped off at Reading at 0430 and having to wait for services to start up in order to get to Paddington would really be a very attractive prospect?

That's not quite what I was suggesting though ... the suggestion was for the sleeper services to terminate and stay resident in a quieter platform for a number of hours ... platform 3 may not be needed for reversal of Cross County trains until (?) what time for example, and in the evening to start from there.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363230/489/12]
Posted by bobm at 17:08, 15th July 2025
Already liked by JayMac, TaplowGreen, eightonedee, GBM, Witham Bobby
 
In the case of the Up sleeper I'm not sure being dumped off at Reading at 0430 and having to wait for services to start up in order to get to Paddington would really be a very attractive prospect?

Unless you are a very dedicated Janner, you might say the same about Plymouth on the down!

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363229/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:06, 15th July 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, broadgage
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be started from Reading.

It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to a problem currently under investigation.


There is no loco at Reading to work the empty sleeper set into Paddington, the same reason the sleeper terminated at Reading in the morning.

Last nights up sleeper from Penzance has a 57 on the rear to resolve that issue

In various other bits of research I'm doing, it's not unheard of for a sleeper service to terminate / start somewhere on the outskirts of a city, with passengers transferring in or out via other public transport in the area. Most notable is Halkali which is a ride of about 45 minutes into / out from Istanbul.    Perhaps it allows rather more space to be provided for / and for a longer load / unload time at a station that's out of town rather that resource hogging in the centre at the start / end of each day?  I am very tempted - and awaiting howls of protest - to suggest that Stirling might be an excellent hub for the Scottish sleepers, though still providing through carriages that call there during the night to/from far flung places such as Fort William, Inverness, Oban and Aberdeen.

In the case of the Up sleeper I'm not sure being dumped off at Reading at 0430 and having to wait for services to start up in order to get to Paddington would really be a very attractive prospect?

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363226/489/12]
Posted by grahame at 11:12, 15th July 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be started from Reading.

It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to a problem currently under investigation.


There is no loco at Reading to work the empty sleeper set into Paddington, the same reason the sleeper terminated at Reading in the morning.

Last nights up sleeper from Penzance has a 57 on the rear to resolve that issue

In various other bits of research I'm doing, it's not unheard of for a sleeper service to terminate / start somewhere on the outskirts of a city, with passengers transferring in or out via other public transport in the area. Most notable is Halkali which is a ride of about 45 minutes into / out from Istanbul.    Perhaps it allows rather more space to be provided for / and for a longer load / unload time at a station that's out of town rather that resource hogging in the centre at the start / end of each day?  I am very tempted - and awaiting howls of protest - to suggest that Stirling might be an excellent hub for the Scottish sleepers, though still providing through carriages that call there during the night to/from far flung places such as Fort William, Inverness, Oban and Aberdeen.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363225/489/12]
Posted by bobm at 08:26, 15th July 2025
Already liked by Worcester_Passenger, matth1j, Ralph Ayres, Witham Bobby, rogerw, Mark A, a-driver, GBM, TonyK, JayMac, 1st fan
 
Given the above and the reason given on Journeycheck as “a problem under investigation” I have visions of someone walking round Reading Traincare Depot scratching their head and saying “I’m sure there was a class 57 here somewhere.”

Home again - 14th July 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [363224/30453/1]
Posted by grahame at 07:33, 15th July 2025
Already liked by Mark A, matth1j, Witham Bobby, Timmer
 
Home, on the last northbound train last night into Melksham - started from the old town in St Malo in the morning. Full(er) reports to follow during the next few days.   And final round of this year's Interrail pass starts in a few days.


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [363223/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:07, 15th July 2025
 
Delays to services between West Ealing and Greenford

Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:45 15/07.

Customer Advice

Due to a fault with the signalling system between West Ealing and Greenford, the line is currently blocked.


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [363222/489/12]
Posted by a-driver at 03:40, 15th July 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be started from Reading.

It will no longer call at London Paddington.
This is due to a problem currently under investigation.


There is no loco at Reading to work the empty sleeper set into Paddington, the same reason the sleeper terminated at Reading in the morning.

Last nights up sleeper from Penzance has a 57 on the rear to resolve that issue

Royal Welsh Show 2025
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [363221/30452/23]
Posted by welsh1980 at 22:31, 14th July 2025
Already liked by Timmer, Mark A, Witham Bobby
 
Its that time of the year again and TFW have announced details of this years Royal Welsh show timetable.

It seems this year the service will run to Llandrindod according to RTT rather than Builth Road as usual.This is a good decision given the set gets stabled at Llandrindod anyway.

The service will run from Cardiff at 0659 on Monday/Wednesday/Thurs with an arrival at Builth Road at 0954 calling at Bridgend, Port Talbot and then appears to go via Neath (not calling) and Landore rather than the Swansea District Line, calling at Llanelli, Bynea and then all stations to Llandrindod. But on Tuesday there is an earlier departure from Cardiff at 0632 and according to RTT it will go via the district line calling at Bridgend, Port Talbot then Pontarddulais etc arriving in Builth Road a lot earlier.

Any guesses what might be booked for the service? Im guessing a 150 or a pair of 150s maybe if there are enough spare.

The usual HOWL services will also be running, I wonder if there will be capacity to add extra carriages. Obviously 197s are not cleared for the HOWL so it will have to be 153s and 150s.  Lets hope the service will be more reliable this year than other years.

 
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