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Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362363/30361/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:15, 16th June 2025
 
Shows a pretty shocking level of entitlement and lack of managerial oversight though doesn't it? If he's breaching the rules like that, what else is he not doing properly? Definitely adds to the argument for installing platform edge doors and automating the lot.

Drivers are all adults and are fully aware of their responsibilities.



I think the actions of the gentleman watching TV and getting creative with the knitting needles in the article pretty effectively rebuts that assertion - awareness of responsibilities is not the same as observing them - however I am sure the overwhelming majority of drivers are as responsible as you suggest.

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362362/30350/1]
Posted by grahame at 15:53, 16th June 2025
 
I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.

Indeed ... this is balancing act for the moderator / admin team. At the very raw and early point I think it's right not to wildly speculate, but yet as evidence comes out and is discussed in the specialist press and by experts, we can and should move towards reflecting on that evidence.

I can give you no timescale for the redirection, but in the first hours it's disrespectful to those involved to get too involved with "how did that happen" and yet in the longer term it would be disrespectful to their memories to not do our very best to learn lessons so that it may never happen again.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362361/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 15:52, 16th June 2025
 
I just caught the 205 from Paddington - a lovely new stop above the Elizabeth Line platforms, though it does lack Real Time Information.  It was around 14:35.   Amongst the people who got on there and at the following 2 stop were
* A gent helped with a stick
* A lady with a pram and a baby in it
* Two people wearing facemarks
* Three groups with heavy luggage
* A lady with a wheelie cart an a limp
* A lady with a big pack and what looked like two guitars in cases
I asked the driver about a direct but to Kings Cross next week and he confirmed what I had understood - that there won't be one and I should take the 27 and change after Baker Street.

I sat where I could watch where people were going. Of the 8 people / groups, just two got off before the 27 and 205 routes diverge at the top of Tottenham Court Road.  So that was six through groups whom I would classify as in need of an extra help.  Not all disabilities are visible.  I note another old boy getting off at Kings' Cross and really struggling; in hindsight I'm pretty sure he joined at Paddington.

Now I was also struck by a very large flow on and off the bus of fit local traffic, much of which seemed to be for incredibly short journeys.

Probably too late to do anything that may influence the future of the service.  The first and last bus time sheet has already gone for the 205 at the Paddington stop with a poster describing the changes in as positive light as they can.

Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad - 12 June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362360/30350/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:37, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Investigators find cockpit voice recorder from crashed Air India flight



Investigators have recovered the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) from the crashed Air India flight, a key step in uncovering what caused last week's deadly accident.

The London-bound Air India aircraft, a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, crashed soon after taking off on Thursday from the western Indian city of Ahmedabad. At least 270 people have been killed, most of them passengers.

The CVR captures audio from the cockpit, including pilot conversations, alarms and ambient sounds. The flight data recorder (FDR), which logs crucial flight parameters like altitude, speed and engine performance, had been recovered from the debris on Friday.

Both the CVR and FDR collectively form what is commonly known as the "black box" of a plane. It is a vital tool in air crash investigations, helping experts reconstruct the flight's final moments and determine the cause of the incident. The black box, unlike the name suggests, is actually two bright orange devices - one for the CVR and the other for the FDR - painted with reflective strips for easier recovery after a crash. Both these devices are designed to survive a crash.

India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) is leading the inquiry into the cause of the crash, helped by teams from the US and the UK.

On Sunday, officials from the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) surveyed the site of the plane crash.

"The AAIB has launched a detailed investigation, and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is conducting a parallel probe under international protocols, since the aircraft is American-made," a statement released on Sunday said.

Indian media outlets have reported, citing sources, that officials from Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) - the US aviation safety agency - also visited the site.

Separately, a high-level committee set up by the Indian government to examine the reasons behind the crash is expected to hold its first meeting on Monday. The committee will submit a preliminary report within three months, the All India Radio said, and will propose new standard operating procedures (SOPs) to help prevent similar incidents in future.

As the investigation continues, families on the ground are still grappling with disbelief and trauma. Less than a minute after taking off from Ahmedabad's Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport, the AI171 flight crashed into a doctors' accommodation building at the BJ Medical College and Civil Hospital.

All but one of the 242 passengers and crew members were killed. Officials have also been trying to establish how many people were killed on the ground and continuing the slow process of matching DNA samples to confirm the victims' identities. Over the weekend, doctors said 270 bodies had been recovered from the site of the crash.

More than 90 victims have been identified, external through DNA matching, Dr Rajnish Patel of Ahmedabad's Civil Hospital said on Monday. He added that 47 of the identified bodies have been sent to their families.

Among the identified victims is Vijay Rupani, the former chief minister of Gujarat, whose funeral will be held on Monday. Rupani, whose political career spanned more than 50 years, will be laid to rest with full state honours in Rajkot city.

For many other families, the agonising wait continues. Officials told the BBC that the identification process has been slow and painstaking, as many of the bodies were badly burned in the crash and are being processed in small batches.

Mistry Jignesh, waiting outside the hospital for updates on his niece, told the BBC on Saturday that officials told him that it might take longer for them to hand over his niece's remains as the search for bodies is still ongoing. He had earlier been told that the body would be handed over by Sunday, after the 72 hours it normally takes to complete DNA matching. "When people are still missing, how can they complete the DNA process by tomorrow? What if my niece's remains haven't even been found? The wait is killing us," he said.


That's my highlighting - purely to emphasise their importance in facilitating an assessment of what actually happened in this very sad event.

CfN.

'Smoke' smell on plane from Cyprus to Bristol forces emergency landing in Turkey
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [362359/30371/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:11, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



A UK-bound plane was forced to make an emergency landing after passengers reported a smoke smell mid-flight.

The EasyJet service from Paphos, Cyprus, to Bristol on Saturday evening had to divert to Izmir in Turkey as a result of a technical issue, a company spokesperson said. They confirmed the flight, which had 169 customers and six crew on board, was met by emergency services after landing as a "precautionary" measure.

"All passengers disembarked as normal," the spokesperson added, explaining that those on board were provided with meals and hotel accommodation "where required". "The safety of our customers and crew is EasyJet's highest priority and EasyJet operates its fleet of aircraft in strict compliance with all manufacturers' guidelines," they continued.

Grounded passengers were later taken to Bristol on a replacement flight on Sunday evening.


Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362358/30350/1]
Posted by JayMac at 14:41, 16th June 2025
 
I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Nothing here beyond what has been postulated in the spcialist aviation media, aviation forums and general news media.

trespassers on line near Bath this morning
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [362357/30370/10]
Posted by matth1j at 14:23, 16th June 2025
 
Quite a few trains delayed at Bath this morning around 7am - the Bristol Temple Meads service from Westbury(?) I was on was held up for about 25 mins, departing Bath at ~7:35 instead of 7:10. Initially it was reported as 'trespassers on the line', but later that became 'emergency services dealing with an incident', so not sure what was actually happening.

Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362356/30367/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:23, 16th June 2025
 
To be fair, only
About 2.6 miles (4.2km) of the route is to be underground, with northbound and southbound tunnels running next to each other beneath the Thames
but yes, it is a rather 'artistic license' illustrative image.




Donated Pacer train 'valuable resource' to SEN school in Blyth, Northumberland
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362355/30369/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:14, 16th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad
 
From the BBC:



A project involving a repurposed Pacer train to use as a classroom for children with specialist needs is nearing completion.

Volunteers from Northern's Heaton TrainCare Centre fixed leaks in the train's roof and its power supply after the train was donated to the Dales School in Blyth by company Porterbrook in 2020.

The second part of the initiative involved engineers repairing the wipers, headlights, signal buzzer and fan in the driver's cab which has recently been finished.

The volunteers also restored the train's public address system, which the school's therapists said would be a "valuable resource" for pupils to make announcements and develop their speech and language skills.

The engineers and apprentices also installed a walkway over a section of track, which was donated by Network Rail.

The school, near the new Northumberland Line at Blyth, said the new driver's cab would give children opportunities to learn about rail safety and the hazards of trespassing.

The project was featured on George Clark's Channel 4 show Amazing Spaces in 2023 and it also received last year's Love Northumberland award.

Pupil Leo said: "I love the train as I'm going to be a train driver when I grow up and I get to practice on the train controls and tell everyone where the train is going."

Meanwhile Lennie said: "My favourite time of the week is when we go on the train, I like the train driving simulator, it's like I'm driving a real train."

James Groundwater, outdoor learning teacher at the school, said the volunteers had "made the train come to life" and now it was watertight for future use.

Heaton TrainCare Centre's manager, Garry Roseby, said he was "extremely proud" of the engineers who spent their weekends and holidays restoring the train.



"It has also given the apprentices an opportunity to work on the legacy fleet which has served the North East so well over the years, allowing them to develop their skills on a different electrical and mechanical system," he said.

The engineers said they would return in July to fit guttering to the train roof.



Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362354/30367/51]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:57, 16th June 2025
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From the BBC:

UK's largest road tunnel project awarded £590m

 [SNIP]



Interesting illustration of a 14 mile long tunnel

Re: Air India flight to London Gatwick crashed in Ahmedabad
In "Introductions and chat" [362353/30350/1]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:37, 16th June 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen, PhilWakely, grahame
 
The fact that the landing gear was not retracted suggests two possibilities to me.
Firstly a major loss of auxiliary power, including that required to retract the gear. Possible but unlikely.

Secondly, that the crew realised that there was a problem, and left the gear down in the hope of returning to the airport for an emergency landing. or perhaps making an emergency landing elsewhere.

I thought we'd agreed it was best not to speculate?

Northamptonshire passengers urged to plan ahead for railway works - June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362352/30368/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:13, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:



Rail passengers were being urged to plan ahead for engineering work which will affect weekend journeys.

Network Rail said the work on the Midland Mainline, which takes place on six consecutive weekends from 21 June, will result in "significant improvements".

Intercity services will be diverted between Kettering in Northamptonshire, and Leicester, extending journey times by 45 minutes.

The project involved work to make progress on a new phase of electrification, which would allow greener "bi-mode" trains to be introduced. There would also be upgrades to the track, signal and communications equipment and drainage systems.

The firm, which owns most of the UK's rail network, added that the project's benefits would include "making the line more resilient and benefitting train performance". The work programme included lowering sections of track to accommodate overhead line equipment without the need to demolish and rebuild bridges.

Network Rail said this would enable a new phase of electrification to take place between Wigston in Leicestershire and East Midlands Parkway, paving the way for a greener fleet of bi-mode trains to be introduced.

East Midlands Railway, which runs through Corby, Kettering and Wellingborough, will operate an amended timetable and trains will not call at Market Harborough. A connecting rail replacement bus service will operate between Kettering and Leicester, calling at Market Harborough. Additional services will be provided on Sundays for passengers travelling by Grantham.

Philippa Cresswell, the customer experience director for East Midlands Railway, said: "We recommend customers planning to travel to or from London over six weekends between Saturday 21 June and Sunday 27 July to check their journey in advance of travelling. We would like to thank our customers for their patience whilst Network Rail upgrade the overhead power lines to enable our bi-mode trains to run on our Intercity route in the future. This work will greatly benefit our customers with more reliable journeys to and from London."


Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362350/30367/51]
Posted by a-driver at 11:05, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

UK's largest road tunnel project awarded £590m

A project to build the UK's largest road tunnel has been granted £590m by the government.

Constructing the Lower Thames Crossing, linking Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent, will cost an estimated £10bn. Plans for the 14.5-mile (23km) route were approved in March after a 16-year process that has already cost £1.2bn.



"A 16-year process already costing £1.2bn"..... and this is why the country is an embarrassment when it comes to infrastructure.

Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362348/30367/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:33, 16th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

UK's largest road tunnel project awarded £590m



A project to build the UK's largest road tunnel has been granted £590m by the government.

Constructing the Lower Thames Crossing, linking Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent, will cost an estimated £10bn. Plans for the 14.5-mile (23km) route were approved in March after a 16-year process that has already cost £1.2bn.

Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the crossing would aid "smoother, less congested passage of vital goods from Europe to our regions". It came as part of a £1bn package to improve transport infrastructure across England, announced on Monday.

The government said it was looking to source private finance to build the Lower Thames Crossing, branding it a "national priority".

National Highways hoped the road would reduce traffic at the Dartford Crossing by 20%.

Construction was expected to begin in 2026 ahead of an expected opening by 2032.



"This is a turning point for our national infrastructure, and we're backing it with funding to support thousands of jobs and connect communities," Reeves said.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander added: "This project is essential for improving the resilience of a key freight route and is critical to our long term trade with Europe."

The road will link the A2 and M2 in Kent with the A13 and M25 in Thurrock. About 2.6 miles (4.2km) of the route is to be underground, with northbound and southbound tunnels running next to each other beneath the Thames.

The funding announcement was welcomed by Logistics UK, which represents the transport and logistics sector.

"Efficient logistics with minimal delays is critical to the delivery of the government's growth agenda, and our members are delighted to hear that funding has been made available to start work on the long-planned Lower Thames Crossing, after a decade of holdups at this vital interchange," said policy director Kevin Green. "It is imperative that the government also sets out a plan for providing and securing the full funding required to complete the project – our members deserve to be able to deliver efficiently for the industry they support, so that the economy can benefit."

However, campaigners have raised concerns about ancient woodland being impacted by the works.

Chris Todd, director of Transport Action Network, previously said the decision was "absolute madness". He added: "The only way that the government can afford this white elephant would be to take money from all the other nations and regions in the UK."


Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362347/30361/51]
Posted by a-driver at 10:08, 16th June 2025
Already liked by GBM, Phil
 
Shows a pretty shocking level of entitlement and lack of managerial oversight though doesn't it? If he's breaching the rules like that, what else is he not doing properly? Definitely adds to the argument for installing platform edge doors and automating the lot.

Not really, a manager can't watch over every single tube driver constantly. Drivers are all adults and are fully aware of their responsibilities.

You either automate the lot or give driving back to the operator and get rid of ATO.

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362345/30361/51]
Posted by Noggin at 09:51, 16th June 2025
 
Shows a pretty shocking level of entitlement and lack of managerial oversight though doesn't it? If he's breaching the rules like that, what else is he not doing properly? Definitely adds to the argument for installing platform edge doors and automating the lot.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362344/29726/18]
Posted by Phil at 09:09, 16th June 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
The sad thing is that it's a day when services DO run to schedule that's so rare it takes us by surprise.

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362341/30361/51]
Posted by a-driver at 08:09, 16th June 2025
Already liked by GBM, PhilWakely
 
Almost beyond belief, but thankfully no longer employed on the railway........

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/tube-driver-caught-knitting-and-watching-video-on-his-phone-while-operating-northern-line-train/ar-AA1GH8in?ocid=socialshare

That's a difficult one to call. 

If all they are responsible for is opening and closing the doors, then you have an issue with what's known as 'Cognitive underload'. Basically it's where an individual's mental capacity is not fully utilised during a task, leading to potential issues like boredom, distraction, and decreased performance.
This individual is probably more alert than someone who open and closes the doors and ends up having a micro sleep between those duties.  However, choosing to watch a video is far from the cleverest way of doing it, knitting though, I'm 50/50.  You can do that activity and still have eyes on the road ahead. 

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362340/569/25]
Posted by a-driver at 07:49, 16th June 2025
 


Probably true. It has the shortest journey time by road, good roads as well, so you don’t need a lot of coaches….. which would be a struggle to source on a Sunday, and the majority of journeys will be end to end. 
 
Indeed - and here's another comment I heard - think it related to Coombe Junction but it could have been Bere Alston - that there are staff members not strong enough to work the points, so that restricts who can be rotaed. If someone can answer to / talk to me on that rumour it would be appreciated.

In my opinion, that is pure rubbish.  Hand points don't require much strength to operate.  In respect of the Coombe Junction working, it's probably more strenuous going from ballast to train/train to ballast then operating the points...... and if you struggle going from ballast to train/train to ballast then you won't be considered fit to work trains.

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362339/569/25]
Posted by a-driver at 07:45, 16th June 2025
 

It’s definitely not the easiest to bustitute.
Coombe Junction, st keyne wishing well, and Causeland are completely inaccessible to a bus. Especially the ones that GWR have on standby for Cornwall mainline and branches today (a 15m triaxle coach)


But very few passengers will travel to Coombe Junction, St Keyne Wishing Well and Causeland.  A taxi is provided for the handful that require those stations.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362337/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 07:06, 16th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Western Pathfinder, Worcester_Passenger
 
That is probably because Eurostar didn't want to respond. They would have seen the consultation

There is a very long list of "stakeholders consulted with" - over 500 of them - which I presume were actively contacted. It does not include the operators of any of the railway services relevant here, nor Network Rail (station owners and managers). (Abellio is named but that will be for buses.) ASLEF and RMT are, however in the list, as is National Grid. It's enough to start people muttering about judicial reviews!

Reading the consultation report (110 pages) some things strike me.  The very high proportion of people against the changes, and giving logical reasons. The postcode data of respondents and the mapping of them which does not go beyond a rather limited part of London (and no pointers off the map to any inputs from further afield).  The accessibility issue - as I read it TfL answers "yes, it will inconvenience those who are less mobile or nervous - but it will also inconvenience those who do not have mobility restrictions and are confident, and that makes it OK".

You don't make an omelette without breaking eggs.  Problem is, these eggs are fertile ground to build a proper integrated national and international service that's environmental and set for the future, whereas the omelette has bits of shell in it - edible for sure, but never less difficult and awkward to eat, and will put many off.

In my mind, I compare this to the breaking of connectional opportunities at Fishguard and Rosslare, rendering the route from the UK to Ireland a shadow of its former self at a time we should be encouraging international public transport.



The GWR input is notable in that it echos many of our thoughts for the passengers.  Thank you GWR. I note GWR are classified as an "other" type responder rather than being placed in a more solicited category such as "providers of connecting services".  The 205 is / was a London Rail Terminal connection bus. Why didn't TfL consult as a planned category with train operators who's customers are affected by this?

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362336/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:48, 16th June 2025
Already liked by matth1j, TaplowGreen, PrestburyRoad, Phil
 
Performances like yesterday's will happen but should be so rare they take us by surprise.  As something that happens all too often, and digging into the data the cancellations are again all "rail industry" rather than "act of God" attributable, this is not marketable to new and nervous users.  The risk of mucking up people's plans to the extent of having them put off the railway for a long time to come is just too high.



On a service that was scheduled to run every 20 minutes, alternate cancellations may not be an issue that seriously damage people's whole day / plans.  On a service that runs every 120 minutes, it renders what's left as unfit for the purpose of getting people around and if we can't fix it, why/should we bother?

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362335/30362/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:05, 15th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, JayMac, PhilWakely, GBM
 
A brilliant clip, from Celebrity Mastermind: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_4FmNwh5M 


Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362334/30362/30]
Posted by JayMac at 21:36, 15th June 2025
Already liked by bradshaw, johnneyw, PrestburyRoad, PhilWakely, GBM, chuffed
 
It is on or very near chalk.
Somewhere near Mid Hants Railway, there had the Retro Wheels and Rails event this weekend

VERY near the Mid Hants Railway. In fact, on it!

Finn and I were enjoying the retro weekend. He's pictured by the entrance to the old engine shed at Medstead & Four Marks station.

I'll maybe post more from the visit in the coming days. We did clock Walmington-on-Sea's finest patrolling Ropley station while supposedly 'guarding' an insolent German U Boat captain. Gunner 'Lofty' Sugden had apparently escaped the Royal Artillery concert party, made it home from Burma and joined the Home Guard.




I couldn't resist singing, "Whistle while you work, Hitler is a berk. He's half barmy..." when I walked past the U Boat captain. He responded in the correct manner...

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