| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by grahame at 20:36, 25th August 2025 |     |
The Times gives us this taster from behind a firewall
‘Epidemic’ of violence and sexual offences against women on trains
The number of violent crimes against women and girls rose by 5% in the year to March 31, while the number of sexual offences increased by 10%
The number of violent crimes against women and girls rose by 5% in the year to March 31, while the number of sexual offences increased by 10%
It kinda suggests the care needed if jail sentences are replaced by "you cannot drive" orders. Clearly, a lot detail is missing yet, but if things aren't done carefully ...
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by eXPassenger at 18:12, 25th August 2025 | |
Bearing in mind the number of people caught driving while disqualified I am sure this will be highly effective.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by Marlburian at 12:14, 25th August 2025 | |
Do many criminals think that they're going to get caught? Statistics on arrests, convictions and meaningful sentencing could make reassuring reading for those considering a crime.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:28, 25th August 2025 | |
It would affect people in different ways. Less of a problem for someone living in a conurbation with good public transport, far more for anyone living in a village with two buses (if that) a day.
Something for those living in areas with poor public transport considering committing a crime to factor in as a possible consequence?
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by Marlburian at 07:52, 25th August 2025 | |
It would affect people in different ways. Less of a problem for someone living in a conurbation with good public transport, far more for anyone living in a village with two buses (if that) a day.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by grahame at 07:47, 25th August 2025 | |
Radical suggestion: should they be required to staff a cafeteria, or sweep / litter pick the carpark, for a pre-determined unpaid number of hours, at a local facility ... such as Melksham station. 
Not sure about staffing a cafeteria as such work gives many opportunities for petty thieving. Litter picking and simple cleaning sounds an excellent idea.
Also removing refuse from the lineside, when the line is closed in any case for engineering work or other reasons.
I am - emphatically NOT - an expert at how people who have transgressed to the extent that they are sanctioned by the law should be handled. I am aware of risks / concerns that there were at the local cafe in a place that's pretty isolated an quiet times where a single employed member of staff was looking after those who perhaps did not really want to be helping. In my view such concerns would need to be robustly addressed in order to provide multiple objectives probably including punishment, rehabilitation, and catering, information, travel help, area maintainance and security services to the public.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by grahame at 03:59, 25th August 2025 | |
From the BBC
I heard this earlier - are they really suggesting that people who have committed crimes serious enough to deserve a formal punishment should be denied getting around with his own transport and pushed onto buses and trains.
Courts imposing community sentences would have the power to hand out driving and travel bans under legislation expected to be introduced next month.
I heard this earlier - are they really suggesting that people who have committed crimes serious enough to deserve a formal punishment should be denied getting around with his own transport and pushed onto buses and trains.
In much the same way as those banned for drink driving are forced to use public transport?
In much the same way, yes ... but you have a difference in scale. At present, those who become "public transport only" and those who have transgressed on their own private transport. The proposal is for those who have transgressed on a much much wider set of issues, and whose activities were serious enough to have lead to a custodial sentence.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by broadgage at 23:01, 24th August 2025 | |
Radical suggestion: should they be required to staff a cafeteria, or sweep / litter pick the carpark, for a pre-determined unpaid number of hours, at a local facility ... such as Melksham station.
Not sure about staffing a cafeteria as such work gives many opportunities for petty thieving. Litter picking and simple cleaning sounds an excellent idea.
Also removing refuse from the lineside, when the line is closed in any case for engineering work or other reasons.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:25, 24th August 2025 | |
Radical suggestion: should they be required to staff a cafeteria, or sweep / litter pick the carpark, for a pre-determined unpaid number of hours, at a local facility ... such as Melksham station.
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:30, 24th August 2025 | |
From the BBC
I heard this earlier - are they really suggesting that people who have committed crimes serious enough to deserve a formal punishment should be denied getting around with his own transport and pushed onto buses and trains.
Courts imposing community sentences would have the power to hand out driving and travel bans under legislation expected to be introduced next month.
I heard this earlier - are they really suggesting that people who have committed crimes serious enough to deserve a formal punishment should be denied getting around with his own transport and pushed onto buses and trains.
In much the same way as those banned for drink driving are forced to use public transport?
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by grahame at 20:51, 24th August 2025 | |
| Re: Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by ChrisB at 20:49, 24th August 2025 | |
Good punishment, eh?
| Court punishments short of prison to include driving bans Posted by grahame at 20:25, 24th August 2025 | |
From the BBC
Courts imposing community sentences would have the power to hand out driving and travel bans under legislation expected to be introduced next month.
I heard this earlier - are they really suggesting that people who have committed crimes serious enough to deserve a formal punishment should be denied getting around with his own transport and pushed onto buses and trains.
