Light refreshments in Coach A

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[Btline]

This train (X) has been revised.

Light refreshments in Coach A

or

This train (X) has been revised.

Light refreshments in Coach E

What does this mean? When would this happen?

[devon_metro]

Static trolley in Coach A or E. (A has a water supply)

[Btline]

What is wrong with the buffet car?

[swlines]

There isn't one...

[Mookiemoo]

What is wrong with the buffet car?

quite often the 1623 from rdg to wos has no buffet!

[IanL]

The 1551 from Paddington (1649 from Oxford) is almost always like this now.

Unfortunately it has an unwanted 'benefit'. The door to coach A which is on the platform side at Oxford is locked and out of use because the trolley is parked there. This means that half of coach B and all of coach A have to exit through a single door in coach B which dramatically increases the dwell time at Oxford.....the rest of the train can have doors closed and ready to go but passengers are still getting off at the front of the train.

Very badly implemented in my opinion.

Ian

[Mookiemoo]

The 1551 from Paddington (1649 from Oxford) is almost always like this now.

Unfortunately it has an unwanted 'benefit'. The door to coach A which is on the platform side at Oxford is locked and out of use because the trolley is parked there. This means that half of coach B and all of coach A have to exit through a single door in coach B which dramatically increases the dwell time at Oxford.....the rest of the train can have doors closed and ready to go but passengers are still getting off at the front of the train.

Very badly implemented in my opinion.

Ian

Probably the same trai I was referring to from RDG^‡(resolve) - sorry if I dont have all the PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains) timings to memory anymore

[miniman]

What is wrong with the buffet car?

quite often the 1623 from rdg to wos has no buffet!

WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) is Worcester, right? That's a bloody long way without a brew if the trolley has run out of stock (or water). You would think that service was a prime candidate for always having a set with a buffet. Bristol - London is much less nasty without a buffet, for example.

[Btline]

Hang on, I thought FGW^▸ (First Great Western) had scrapped the idea of axing buffet cars (backed up with some pathetic idea that removing them would "improve acceleration")?

I saw two unrefurbed buffets in trains last week, and assumed they were awaiting refurbishment.

They also use the argument that people prefer an at seat service so they don't leave their possessions.

But:

*a - the trolley is static, so basically is a "watered down" (accuse the pun) version of a buffet car

*b - in an overcrowded train neither passenger nor staff will want to battle down the train to buy/sell.

Utter maddness!

[Conner]

What is wrong with the buffet car?

quite often the 1623 from rdg to wos has no buffet!

WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) is Worcester, right? That's a bloody long way without a brew if the trolley has run out of stock (or water). You would think that service was a prime candidate for always having a set with a buffet. Bristol - London is much less nasty without a buffet, for example.

I was on a Penzance-London via Bristol HST^▸ (High Speed Train) without a buffet, the longest route a HST can do in normal service.

[smithy]

Hang on, I thought FGW^▸ (First Great Western) had scrapped the idea of axing buffet cars (backed up with some pathetic idea that removing them would "improve acceleration")?

I saw two unrefurbed buffets in trains last week, and assumed they were awaiting refurbishment.

They also use the argument that people prefer an at seat service so they don't leave their possessions.

But:

*a - the trolley is static, so basically is a "watered down" (accuse the pun) version of a buffet car

*b - in an overcrowded train neither passenger nor staff will want to battle down the train to buy/sell.

Utter maddness!

i was under the impression the 2+7 is going to be happening again after some rethinking following a safety incident with a trolley while trialling?

regards the so called pathetic idea acceleration is improved,the buffet is heaviest coach in set and acceleration and fuel economy are greatly improved without it.

[devon_metro]

FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have 53 HST^▸ (High Speed Train) sets and 53 buffets. I got the opposite impression to you smithy 

[Btline]

Smith your post is ambiguous. If trolleys are going to be banned by H&S^▸ (Health and Safety) due to one spilling hot water on someone, surely that will cause 2+8s to be common?

And note that GNER^▸ (Great North Eastern Railways) added an additional coach to their sets!

[smithy]

Smith your post is ambiguous. If trolleys are going to be banned by H&S^▸ (Health and Safety) due to one spilling hot water on someone, surely that will cause 2+8s to be common?

And note that GNER^▸ (Great North Eastern Railways) added an additional coach to their sets!

you misunderstand me,the 2+7 was put on hold after a safety incident,but they have rethought the idea after a trolley redesign?

well that is what i was told anyway.

[swlines]

According to a wonderful source who knows everything, there are several no buffet diagrams - the most significant one has 0600 Plymouth to Paddington in its diagram.