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« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2023, 17:57:21 »

The Samaritans continue to do good work on the GWR (Great Western Railway) network and elsewhere - big "Thank You" to Bethan Hodges for coming to the Community Rail and Stakeholder conference and updating us, and for the work she and her colleagues do. There is a risk of "contagion" if I post much here.  But never the less, a reminder to members and guests reading that a quiet friendly word from YOU can make the difference.  And people can call 116 123 at any time.
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« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2023, 23:43:05 »

Some years ago there was a suggestion that blue lighting was helpful in reducing suicides, It was suggested that the general illumination had to be blue, a single blue light being considered ineffective.

Has this been tried, and did it work ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2023, 15:11:54 »

Wasn't the research done into preventing drug use (injecting), not suicide prevention. That works & is still in use for that purpose.
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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2023, 16:09:16 »

Some years ago there was a suggestion that blue lighting was helpful ............

I was once told that pink was a colour which tends to calm people down and stop sudden impulsive urges to do rash things. For example, all the equipment in the Missile Control Centre on the Polaris submarines was painted 2 shades of off-pink..........to stop someone starting WWIII on an impulse !! I also remember reading that some police stations have a pink cell to calm down the most obnoxious drunks.
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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2023, 16:48:28 »

It should be Baker-Miller pink.
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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2023, 21:17:17 »


One of the pinks was very "dusty rose" ish !!! 
The Baker-Miller pink would drive you round the bend:   "In 2017, model Kendall Jenner painted her living room Baker-Miller pink – and raved about how it made her feel much calmer".................If she "raved" about it - surely that proved it didn't work !!
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« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2023, 15:12:22 »

"Think pink" is or used to be a phrase in climbing circles for staying calm in difficult situations. Not that that's really evidence for it working elsewhere.
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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2023, 23:35:15 »

Some years ago there was a suggestion that blue lighting was helpful in reducing suicides, It was suggested that the general illumination had to be blue, a single blue light being considered ineffective.

Has this been tried, and did it work ?

The one on the end of Tilehurst’s down main platform is still there.
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« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2023, 10:55:25 »

Some years ago there was a suggestion that blue lighting was helpful in reducing suicides, It was suggested that the general illumination had to be blue, a single blue light being considered ineffective.

Has this been tried, and did it work ?

The one on the end of Tilehurst’s down main platform is still there.

I was near Tilehurst Station this morning, so popped in for a look. I couldn't spot it. Is it only on in the dark? There were three proselytisers on the forecourt, not attracting any custom. (At 0845 there were 60 empty spaces in the car park, noticeably more than pre-Lockdown, and the number of passengers also seemed lower.)
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« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2023, 11:40:06 »

Yes, only on at night, or at least only really visible then.  At the London end of the down main platform.
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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2023, 06:50:06 »

This is, of course, a larger problem than just railways https://www.england.nhs.uk/mental-health/case-studies/archived-mental-health-case-studies/zero-suicide/
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« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2023, 07:57:53 »

The last station between Didcot and Paddington without "fast line fencing" Maidenhead platform 2 seems to be well into the construction with many of the post foundations cast.
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« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2023, 08:10:15 »

It does seem to be more a problem on the GWML (Great Western Main Line) than say, LNR or WCML (West Coast Main Line) where fewer seem to happen. I wonder whether any academic study has been done on this?
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« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2023, 08:21:49 »

It does seem to be more a problem on the GWML (Great Western Main Line) than say, LNR or WCML (West Coast Main Line) where fewer seem to happen. I wonder whether any academic study has been done on this?

At least on the Wales and Western route there are detailed looks at where all events that disrupt trains across the patch - we were shown a series of slides last week (you were there  Wink ) and they included "person hit by train". It's fair to say that where clusters occur, the question is asked "why is this" and indeed some explanations were offered in the wider context of other types of disruption.   Whether those are "academic" studies I would not like to say; the boundary between rail industry techical analysis and academic can be a bit fuzzy and as long as we understand and take actions to fix where appropriate, really does not matter!
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« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2023, 12:18:27 »

It does seem to be more a problem on the GWML (Great Western Main Line) than say, LNR or WCML (West Coast Main Line) where fewer seem to happen. I wonder whether any academic study has been done on this?

Some of it has to do with the track arrangement.  ECML (East Coast Main Line) (LNR) have the fasts a the 2 centre tracks with the slows on the outside which generally are the only ones with platforms.  Many of the WCML stations do not have accusable or usable fast line platforms
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