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« on: October 04, 2023, 07:03:20 »

For early 2024 - there will be three Castle Class diagrams per day remaining, on local journeys between Plymouth and Penzance, with one journey per day as far east as Exeter. This change is being made to allow crew competency to be retained amongst a reducing number of drivers, and to keep the elderly trains near the depot at Laira where they will be retained.  Some Cardiff to Penzance services will be spilt, with an IET (Intercity Express Train) at the Wales end and an HST (High Speed Train) in Cornwall.

Source - GWR (Great Western Railway) briefing yesterday

Today (4th October) in 1976 was the first public passenger run of the HST - old BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) web site

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When the service was launched a single adult ticket between Bristol and London cost £5.
The month before the launch the train driver's union Aslef demanded that trains be manned by two drivers when travelling at speeds in excess of 100mph.

British Rail estimated this would cost them £300,000 in over-manning.

The introduction of the Inter-City 125 made significant reductions in journey times across the UK (United Kingdom) and led to a marked surge in passenger numbers.

Variations of the 125 were sold to Australian railways.

Intercity 125s are still in operation although the faster, electrically powered Inter-City 225 has emerged as its successor.

In March 2006 the government announced the 125 would be phased out of service - although some companies, like First Great Western, say they are investing millions of pounds to keep them going for at least another decade.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2023, 15:17:38 »

......... and the Electric IC225 did not last as long in service as the Diesel powered IC125's

The 225's never ran in public service at their planned 140mph (225kmh)
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2023, 15:21:43 »

......... and the Electric IC225 did not last as long in service as the Diesel powered IC125's

Many IC225s were withdrawn, but several still operate on the ECML (East Coast Main Line) at 125mph.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2023, 12:40:36 »

It's amusing seeing the photos of old sets being repainted and now being used in Mexico
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2023, 17:12:27 »

Mexican looking HST (High Speed Train)

https://twitter.com/mr_w_snapper/status/1703687430673453203/photo/1
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2023, 17:36:53 »


Blimey, I think that they look rather splendid.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2023, 02:06:47 »


Blimey, I think that they look rather splendid.

Yes they do. But I would rather see them still in use in the UK (United Kingdom).
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2023, 05:34:33 »


Yes they do. But I would rather see them still in use in the UK (United Kingdom).

As I'm sure FGW (First Great Western) would!
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2023, 08:07:40 »

Sharing from the Facebook group - I have managed to loose the link (darned Facebook feeds) ...
edit - it's at https://www.facebook.com/groups/ukhstgroup/posts/6436436609817693/

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2023, 11:32:35 »

Had to lookup where 5P26 lost so much time as empty stock. It waits for 21m at Newton Abbott for a passing train and sits in Plymouth for 46m before heading for depot and 9m at Mount Gould platform. Seems very inefficient.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2023, 09:02:29 »

It's amusing seeing the photos of old sets being repainted and now being used in Mexico

I am ... happy ... to read reports such as this on Facebook.
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Yarmouth Vauxhall Sidings today getting a bit busy now with the 10 Power Cars on site ready to be shipped away.

Whilst I would rather have had sufficient trains and staff locally to run full timetables with good capacity locally, I celebrate their re-use and I commend the decision by whoever it is in Mexico to take a fleet (which makes support and maintenance so much more practical) than just the odd set.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2023, 20:36:19 »

It seems the XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) sets (including the repainted BR (British Rail(ways)) set) are off to Nigeria, rather than Mexico (re Richard Clinnick twitter)
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2023, 13:23:56 »

As yesterdays chaos in Devon showed yesterday, the HST (High Speed Train) sets are the only ones capable of going through Dawlish when its stormy. Once its all IETs (Intercity Express Train) nothing will run.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2023, 13:47:21 »

As yesterdays chaos in Devon showed yesterday, the HST (High Speed Train) sets are the only ones capable of going through Dawlish when its stormy. Once its all IETs (Intercity Express Train) nothing will run.

At the begining of the IET saga, I expressed doubts about the ability to cope with the conditions at Dawlish. An IET  supporter assured me that it was an "essential requirement" that the new units be able to cope with conditions at Dawlish, so what happened ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2023, 14:34:07 »

It seems the XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) sets (including the repainted BR (British Rail(ways)) set) are off to Nigeria, rather than Mexico (re Richard Clinnick twitter)

As Nigeria and Mexico tend to be warmer, drier countries perhaps we could send them a few IETs (Intercity Express Train) instead of the HST (High Speed Train) sets.
Mind you if they had any sense they wouldn't touch them with a barge pole
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