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« on: July 27, 2011, 21:50:37 » |
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In the latest Rail magazine(issue 674) in article on future rail franchising it says that the secretary of State for transport Philip Hamond has issued a stark warning to future rail franchise bidders,"If you have spent the last ten years screwing us,then dont spend too long filling out the pre-qualification form".FGW▸ ?
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Timmer
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 21:51:57 » |
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Virgin Trains?
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Btline
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 22:35:12 » |
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Can someone explain what the problem with VT▸ is? I've heard so many rumours about them blackmailing the Daft etc.
From a passenger's point of view, they operate an excellent service.
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JayMac
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 23:01:27 » |
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In firm agreement on that last point of yours Btline. I travelled with VT▸ today, and after leaving my mobile at Manchester Piccadilly I was mightily impressed with their excellent response to my predicament. Phone and bignosemac were reunited inside 70 minutes at Stoke-on-Trent.  |
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"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
- Sir Terry Pratchett.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 01:21:34 » |
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I'm with woody on this, they were all at it. I think the only company I have sympathy for is GNER▸ . It's common knowledge what SML tried to do as it's parlimentary record, and was royally rewarded for doing so.  VT▸ on the other hand never got that far although they were a bit fortunate that a number of fitters didn't turn up for work one day and delayed some work which took the hit in the press. |
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JayMac
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 01:30:07 » |
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"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
- Sir Terry Pratchett.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 06:14:15 » |
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From a passenger's point of view, they operate an excellent service.
Agreed. I would be more than happy for them the win the next West Coast franchise. Probably slightly unfair of me to question whether Philip Hammond had Virgin Trains in mind when he made that statement simply because the whole West Coast franchise was a bit of a mess because of the upgrade undertaken in the early days by Railtrack completed by Network Rail. Whether Virgin Trains took advantage of this in negotiations with the dft when adjustments were made to the franchise terms over the years is open to debate by those who know more about it than I do. |
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woody
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 10:06:44 » |
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In the phrase "Philip Hamond has issued a stark warning to future rail franchise BIDDERS",notice the word BIDDERS is in the plural so he is clearly referring to more than just one operator. As railway research expert Professor Rod Smith on the need to address the failings on the railways said in an article on 4 May 2011 "I often wonder how it is that companies are allowed to take huge amounts of money out of a system that is being subsidised by the taxpayer to the tune of ^5 billion a year? That is a complete scandal. It^s the laundering of public money into banks^ coffers." http://profeng.com/columns/where-privatisation-went-off-the-railsEnough said. |
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eightf48544
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 10:17:27 » |
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It's the Wolmar question "What are Franchies for?"
DaFT» obviously don't like VT▸ because they got the Pendelinos strenghtened to 9 and now 11, when it was obvious they didn't want to be tied to VT because they had to give then time to get some pay back for the extra cost of rolling stock and the disruption of WCML▸ upgrade.
I think VT has got some very canny lawyers and would amost certainly challenge DaFT in the courts if they didn't get the franchise.
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Btline
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 18:27:59 » |
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It's common knowledge what SML tried to do as it's parlimentary record, and was royally rewarded for doing so. VT▸ on the other hand never got that far although they were a bit fortunate that a number of fitters didn't turn up for work one day and delayed some work which took the hit in the press. Sorry - lost on both the above points! What do you mean? I hope VT get WC▸ and EC, so the horrid NX/EC grey/purple livery can be removed! They run a passenger focused service - no coincidence that Chris Green was CEO▸ for a while then! Although VT's would have to get used to barriers in the North East! |
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 20:22:15 » |
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I've not read the article in question, but perhaps you could debate that the previous Tory
administration were at fault.
Surely if the various transport companies were able to exploit the system in place, then you
could argue the original 'privatise the railway' bill was flawed.
In my opinion this was shown by the incompetence of Railtrack.
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paul7575
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 20:39:08 » |
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I think VT▸ has got some very canny lawyers and would amost certainly challenge DaFT» in the courts if they didn't get the franchise.
This is in a dream, presumably? VT have no more or less right than any other bidder to get the new franchise. Paul |
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 21:17:06 » |
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Last time the EC franchise was being tendered, it was suggested that VT▸ could not get both EC and WX on competition grounds.
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eightf48544
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 12:01:26 » |
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I can see lawyers and the courts being involved in the next round of franchises.
The tendering process and the actual franchise contracts are so wordy and cover so many volumes that they are are lawyers paradise.
I think VT▸ could plausably argue that as they put up with the West Coast modernisation, the post Hatfield Railtrack fiasco, introduced the pendelinos and the VHF timetable and increased passenger numbers by a very large % that they should be allowed to reap the rewards for the risks they took keeping the service running and subsequently introducing new trains and the VHF timetable.
I don't really like any of the TOCS (except perhaps Chiltern) so have no desire to see any of the existing TOCs▸ get any franchise unless they are prepared like Chiltern to invest heavily in infrastructure and new stock. Then they could have a 15/20 year franchise provided they delivered the improvements contracted for.
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paul7575
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 13:03:54 » |
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I think VT▸ could plausably argue that as they put up with the West Coast modernisation, the post Hatfield Railtrack fiasco, introduced the pendelinos and the VHF timetable and increased passenger numbers by a very large % that they should be allowed to reap the rewards for the risks they took keeping the service running and subsequently introducing new trains and the VHF timetable.
I think you are mistaken. I suggest Virgin have never taken on any financial risk at all. For a significant part of their existence they were on a 'cost plus' management contract. Every new timetable or delayed upgrade has resulted in franchise variations. It was widely reported that it was Virgin who refused to introduce the extended and new trains without additional subsidy for the extra risk involved. They can't have it both ways... Paul |
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