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« on: October 31, 2021, 11:51:31 »

Does anyone have a map of all the services that call at Clapham Junction?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2021, 12:44:18 »

Does anyone have a map of all the services that call at Clapham Junction?

I cant find a map that is as detailed as you would want it, but here is a list of all Clapham Junction services for this coming Tuesday - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:CLJ/2021-11-02/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2021, 12:55:30 »

There's this - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/93/d3/fd93d3af3e0b7ea962e77111cd4aba40.gif

But it only shows the lines, not the services.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2021, 19:53:55 »

There's the national rail map here which includes every station in Great Britain but as others have pointed out, not every train that stops at Clapham Junction will stop at others further down the line and vice versa.

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/static/documents/content/routemaps/nationalrailoperatorsmapzoom66.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2021, 22:37:10 »

Not sure if it answers the question, but growing up in Havant I was rather taken with the 'London & South East' network map, which if I recall correctly had the 'London Connections' map printed on the reverse. More recent version here.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2021, 22:50:23 »

Not sure if it answers the question, but growing up in Havant I was rather taken with the 'London & South East' network map, which if I recall correctly had the 'London Connections' map printed on the reverse. More recent version here.

That was my first thought, but I wasn't sure it would have the individual services as detailed as grahame was after.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2021, 23:17:02 »

Not sure if it answers the question, but growing up in Havant I was rather taken with the 'London & South East' network map, which if I recall correctly had the 'London Connections' map printed on the reverse. More recent version here.

That was my first thought, but I wasn't sure it would have the individual services as detailed as grahame was after.

They are interesting maps ... but don't really hit the bullseye (or if they do, they spray the entire dartboard).   A clear map of where you can get to, without a change, from Clapham Junction - the sort of thing that should be on display in the station  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2021, 23:24:25 »

Not sure if it answers the question, but growing up in Havant I was rather taken with the 'London & South East' network map, which if I recall correctly had the 'London Connections' map printed on the reverse. More recent version here.

That was my first thought, but I wasn't sure it would have the individual services as detailed as grahame was after.

They are interesting maps ... but don't really hit the bullseye (or if they do, they spray the entire dartboard).   A clear map of where you can get to, without a change, from Clapham Junction - the sort of thing that should be on display in the station  Grin

Why? If you at at CLJ, "where can I get to from here by train without changing" is a very unlikely question. "How do I get to where I'm going from here" is the obvious one, and isn't the same.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2021, 05:13:06 »

Why? If you at at CLJ, "where can I get to from here by train without changing" is a very unlikely question. "How do I get to where I'm going from here" is the obvious one, and isn't the same.

I see where you are coming from.  It is unlikely you would want to see that diagram once you get to Clapham Junction.

People dislike changing. And they multiply dislike having to change multiple times, especially if they have heavy luggage or find it difficult to get around.  I am looking to get from Trowbridge to ... East Grinstead, or Tring, or Epsom ... can I do it with just one change?  And a "look at these connections" leaflet / booklet / website looking at these single connection could be a useful marketing tool.  In the case of Trowbridge, or course, that's if we have a product still worth marketing come next month, but is would still apply to those lucky people from places such as Feniton and Tisbury who will still have trains to Waterloo.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2021, 09:48:37 »

Well, it was the fashion to put a list of destinations on the walls of stations - even to build them in. But they are hard to revise when they get dated, so maybe not ideal now.

More seriously, for Tube-style navigation around the system there are "RDG(resolve)'s London & the South East" and TfL» (Transport for London - about)'s "London's Rail & Tube"*. Currently TfL have their bit online as "Tube and Rail", in their maps collection. RDG/National Rail have their bit, under the snappy title of "London & South East Map and Network Railcard area of validity map", in their collection of regional network maps.

As a two-sided paper object it has no single name; neither RDG nor TfL will cede priority to allow that. With two sides it can do the denser London part and the sprawl outside. If you want the same thing to extend further west you'll need three-sided paper (or more wall for posters). And a new regional map; there isn't one for Wiltshire in the collection - you need a bigger city!

That style does show train "lines" as if on exclusive tracks. Much of the Tube works that way, and can be shown so even where sharing tracks. Even the tube doesn't restrict a line to one end at each end, so it does not quite guarantee where you need to change. Still less does it help with optional changes to cope with the mix of train routeings actually running when you travel.

But that is, I think, your best bet. Mind you, I suspect the official (or is that marketing?) mind isn't thinking along the lines of big flat paper plans these days. Isn't everyone preferring to peer at/poke their screen these days?

The maps the south London TOCs (Train Operating Company) offer are more sketchy, showing where the track is not the services (all monochrome currently). Various other people offer them with pretty colours online - but obviously you've no idea how accurate they are. GWR (Great Western Railway) may or may not have a network map - it's hard to say; they don't even have "plan your journey" as a menu item these days.

The only more specific "trains run from here to here along this route" maps I've sen are the service maps in the NR» (Network Rail - home page) Route Study reports. There won't be one of those for Clapham Junction now because (1) there wasn't a single Route Study for the whole area, and part of one half of CLJ was a full page, and (2) they represented future service levels, not current provision. And they were hard to follow, too.

*Names as in 2019. They may have changed on the printed version,though I'm not even sure it's been printed recently.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2021, 21:35:14 »

You mean like this one that is a bit out of date?



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