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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2014, 23:53:33 »

I have expressed an opinion. I may be wrong. In many ways I hope I'm wrong. But at the moment this Government appear to be giving carte blanche to the operating companies. If they go with the reason that it's necessary not to have a franchise competition for Greater Western because of infrastructure work and introduction of new rolling stock, what's to stop other TOCs (Train Operating Company) requesting the same? Many will face similar issues in the coming years.

This government is fast appearing to be beholden to the owning groups. That doesn't seem right or fair to me. Making direct awards is not free-market politics and it's riding rough-shod over legislation. Necessity is one thing (not that I agree with that). This appears to be making it up as you go along.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2014, 10:39:16 »

I agree with BNM. Privatisation  is now just political dogma. If the East Coast management is doing a fine job for its users and taxpayers as owners it should have the right to compete against commercial operators, i.e. the 93 Act is all about introducing competition but this government does not want competition to operate if there is a possibility that the public sector could win a franchise against the likes of First & Stagecoach.
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2014, 13:57:54 »

Things are very rosy in franchise land. For the franchisees and their owners that is. Certainly not the passenger or taxpayer. Since franchising began, only 9% of TOC (Train Operating Company) profit has been reinvested in the industry or returned to government. 91% of TOC profits have gone to shareholders, if the TOC is part of a PLC, or to the state. But not the UK (United Kingdom) state you understand. Nope. To Germany, France and the Netherlands, who have realised that the UK's bonkers franchising system is an ideal source of income to subsidise their own railways.


I don't entirely understand why bignosemac is complaining about the apparently low amounts of money the TOCs are re-investing in the railway industry. I would suggest that the model of the industry that he is using does not reflect the actual, or even the desired, situation.

As a result of increasing passenger numbers and fare increases exceeding the rate of inflation over the last few years the operating costs of the railway are nearly completely covered by income from passenger fares and freight carried. Taking financial figures published last year by the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) for the year 2011-12 passenger income amounted to ^7.4 billion and 'other' income (freight, car parking, etc.) amounted to ^1.3 billion - a total of ^8.7 billion.

Network Rail's operating expenditure (including renewals) amounted to ^2.6 billion and the TOCs' outgoings amounted to ^6.1 billion. So the total costs for running the railway came to ^8.7 billion - essentially the same as the income.

What of course is missing in this last figure is the capital expenditure being made by Network Rail on the infrastructure - all those developments such as the Reading rebuild, electrification, the flyovers at Hitchin and Doncaster, the new chord at Nuneaton, the new platform at Gatwick and the junctions at Bicester and so on. These are covered by NR» (Network Rail - home page) borrowing money, about ^2 billion in the year mentioned, and grants from the Government - the railway does not generate enough money (yet) to fund its own enhancements. And of course interest has to be paid on the total of the sums borrowed over the years which amounted to ^1.5 billion in 2011-12.

The TOCs make a profit of a few per cent on turnover - but to suggest they don't contribute their fair share to the railway is wide of the mark. Their investment in the system is made indirectly - via their track access and other payments to NR and via the rolling stock leasing payments to the ROSCOs» (Rolling Stock Owning Company - about).

A better model by which to judge the TOCs is the consider them in the same light as a retail outlet in a shopping mall. Its rent covers its proportion of the costs of maintaining and enhancing the mall - but these activities are carried out by the mall owner, in our case NR. The shop's investment is limited to the fixtures and fittings in the shop and in the capital tied up in stock - it does not cover the fabric of the building. The shop pays directly for its own staff, cleaning and power and it makes a profit, it is to be hoped, on its sales.

My point is you cannot criticise the TOCs for not spending money, or even of not spending enough money, on renewals or investment in the system because they do, it's just one step removed. The question of ownership of the TOCs, or even where their dividends are paid, is irrelevant. There has been foreign ownership of UK companies, and UK ownership of foreign companies since time immemorial - did you know that the HSTs (High Speed Train) are Rolls-Royce powered?
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2014, 14:40:21 »

Well made points, 4064.

One I will pick up on though is track access charges. These have fallen sharply in real terms since the formation of Network Rail from the ashes of Railtrack. The shortfall was meant to be made up by increased premiums to Government paid by the TOCs (Train Operating Company). Those increased premiums would offset the shortfall at Network Rail, whose debt is ultimately underwritten by the Government.  And with accounting changes will actually show up on Government books later this year.

However, Government has not received anything like the forecasted premium payments since the last round of franchise awards. Skillful manoeuvering, defaulting or walk away threats from TOCs have put paid to that. Recession may be blamed, but the passenger rail industry as a whole was hardly affected by that - passenger mileage increased throughout the recession. Virgin negotiated out of their premium profile during the WCML (West Coast Main Line) upgrade. FGW (First Great Western) walked away from their backloaded premium profile by exercising a contract termination clause. Other TOCs have not come anywhere near paying back to Government their forecasted premiums. National Express just walked away the moment the premiums kicked in.

The net result of this is that TOCs are having their cake and eating it. Greatly reduced track access charges and no repayment to Government to offset this. Hence only 9% of TOC profit returned to the public purse to pay for investment. 91% to shareholders. All allowed for and overseen by Government. And the Operating Companies are further rewarded for this collusion with Government, at the expense of taxpayers and Network Rail debt, with management contracts. Nice work if you can get it.

We need, with urgency, a return to an independent franchise/concession awarding body. Not the continued cosy arrangement between Government (via a grossly understaffed/unmotivated Rail Group at the DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) and Operators.

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2014, 14:58:58 »

You're not suggesting a return to a grossly underfunded, ideologically bereft, and atrociously led SRA» (Strategic Rail Authority - about), are you  Huh
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2014, 15:05:00 »

I agree with BNM. Privatisation  is now just political dogma. If the East Coast management is doing a fine job for its users and taxpayers as owners it should have the right to compete against commercial operators, i.e. the 93 Act is all about introducing competition but this government does not want competition to operate if there is a possibility that the public sector could win a franchise against the likes of First & Stagecoach.

East Coast is dinging a fine job on an operational level, but it is not operating under quite the same constraints as would be laid on a privately owned TOC (Train Operating Company).  For instance it did not have to put up a performance bond (to cover the DfT» (Department for Transport - about)'s costs in finding a new contractor if it failed to fulfil its contract) as this cost would fall on the DfT anyway. As several tens of millions of pounds has to be tied up in the bond for the duration of the franchise (and is first released by the DfT six months after the end of the franchise) the TOC, or its owning group, has to have some seriously deep pockets.

So, if the existing management were to bid for the franchise it would have to find about ^50 million it was prepared to lock away for 7 or 10 years. And if it raised the money by buying an insurance it would still need to be able to pay the premiums and I can't see any insurer taking on that type of risk without the putative TOC putting at least some money on the table.

What might happen is that a company such as First or Stagecoach or a finance company of some sort might attempt a bid for East Coast and take on the existing management to run it. What cannot happen is that the East Coast management would just continue unchanged - it needs a backer.

And, yes, the 1993 Act is all about competition. It mostly happens between bidders at the franchising stage.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 15:08:12 »

And, yes, the 1993 Act is all about competition. It mostly happens between bidders at the franchising stage.

But doesn't happen at all when Government decides to ignore the legislation and award contracts to incumbents.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 15:18:45 »

You're not suggesting a return to a grossly underfunded, ideologically bereft, and atrociously led SRA» (Strategic Rail Authority - about), are you  Huh

Heck no. One of the worst people ever to grace the upper levels of the privatised rail industry was Richard Bowker.

Properly funded, independent and forward looking. Beyond my ken as to how that's achieved, but anything is better than what we have now.
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2014, 15:45:56 »

You're not suggesting a return to a grossly underfunded, ideologically bereft, and atrociously led SRA» (Strategic Rail Authority - about), are you  Huh

Heck no. One of the worst people ever to grace the upper levels of the privatised rail industry was Richard Bowker.

Properly funded, independent and forward looking. Beyond my ken as to how that's achieved, but anything is better than what we have now.

Here is a Transport Committee transcript from November 2003 that may be of interest - http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmtran/145/3110511.htm
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2014, 16:51:50 »

Come back Tom Winsor, all is forgiven.

I love the part where Richard Bowker admits that (Virgin) CrossCountry got the introduction of their Operation Princess timetable wrong. "There was a degree of over-ambition with that timetable."

A timetable long in the planning at Virgin to purportedly take advantage of the new Voyager rolling stock. Much of that planning done when the co-Chairman and Commercial Director at Virgin Rail Group was... guess who?

Yep. Richard Bowker.

And who signed off on this timetable, that could never work, the following year?

Yep. Richard Bowker. Now at the SRA» (Strategic Rail Authority - about).

Move forward a few years. The SRA has been abolished and Richard Bowker is now at National Express Group. He oversees the bid for the East Coast franchise, promising the earth to Government with woefully inaccurate revenue projections and thus premium payments. As soon as those premiums kick in and aren't matched by the revenue projections, Bowker and National Express just walk away.
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2014, 00:51:14 »

did you know that the HSTs (High Speed Train) are Rolls-Royce powered?

Well. MTU (Motor Traction Unit) powered. With MTU only now being jointly owned by Rolls Royce Holdings and Daimler AG.

When the current FGW (First Great Western) HST engines were built, MTU were not even part-owned by Rolls-Royce. At the time of build the MTU business was owned by a Swedish investment company, EQT Partners (later trading as Tognum AG), having been spun of from the DaimlerChrysler group in late 2005.

Bit of a stretch to say HSTs are Rolls-Royce powered. With Rolls-Royce only becoming co-owner of the the MTU business in 2011, long after the MTU engines were built, and with Tognum AG being renamed Rolls-Royce Power Systems (50/50 split ownership between Rolls Royce Holdings/Daimler AG) only in 2014.

The MTU business continues, with diesel engines still badged as such.

I could equally (but erroneously) say that HSTs are Daimler powered.
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 12:25:19 »

did you know that the HSTs (High Speed Train) are Rolls-Royce powered?

Well. MTU (Motor Traction Unit) powered. With MTU only now being jointly owned by Rolls Royce Holdings and Daimler AG.

When the current FGW (First Great Western) HST engines were built, MTU were not even part-owned by Rolls-Royce. At the time of build the MTU business was owned by a Swedish investment company, EQT Partners (later trading as Tognum AG), having been spun of from the DaimlerChrysler group in late 2005.

Bit of a stretch to say HSTs are Rolls-Royce powered. With Rolls-Royce only becoming co-owner of the the MTU business in 2011, long after the MTU engines were built, and with Tognum AG being renamed Rolls-Royce Power Systems (50/50 split ownership between Rolls Royce Holdings/Daimler AG) only in 2014.

The MTU business continues, with diesel engines still badged as such.

I could equally (but erroneously) say that HSTs are Daimler powered.

Rolls-Royce are buying out Daimler's share in Tognum so MTU, which will continue to trade under its own name, will be 100% owned by Rolls-Royce.

See http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-daimler-rollsroyce-idUSBREA2619520140307

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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2014, 23:03:37 »

FGW (First Great Western) Response here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Media-Centre/2014/March/fgw-welcomes-government-decision-to-explore-franchise-options
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2014, 23:17:25 »

Basic details of the tender as registered with the Official Journal of the European Union:

https://www.publictenders.net/node/2513479
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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2014, 09:13:20 »

Presumably, lodging this with the EU» (European Union - about) now allows them to award beyond a further 23 months....
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