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« on: December 08, 2008, 06:20:23 »
Have you notices that the live update reports on the FGW▸ (First Great Western) site have moved from describing trains lengths in "coaches" rather than "carriages".  ... there's a lot of trains short of coaches this week, when last week they would have been short of carriages  Huh

A little thing - just an update of language, or something more?

Do YOU think "coaches", "cars" or "carriages"?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 08:15:11 »
Well, since passengers became customers, guards became train managers, and buses became a form of rapid transit, anything is possible!  Grin After all they have to employ these expensive consultants for something.... they're probably scratching their heads trying to work out a new improved 21st century name for trains.....
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 09:28:59 »
The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have already redisignated "diesel trains" as "self powered vehicles" (eg, in IEP▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) documents)
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 09:41:26 »
Quote from: Tim on December 08, 2008, 09:28:59
The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have already redisignated "diesel trains" as "self powered vehicles" (eg, in IEP▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) documents)

That's so they can be fuelled by hydrogen.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 20:36:10 »
Quote from: eightf48544 on December 08, 2008, 09:41:26
Quote from: Tim on December 08, 2008, 09:28:59
The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have already redisignated "diesel trains" as "self powered vehicles" (eg, in IEP▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) documents)
That's so they can be fuelled by hydrogen.
Or Biofuel

Don't forget "Revenue Protection Officers" (or, in English, "Inspectors").

"Chief Operating Officer" = "Chairman" / "MD"

As for coaches/ carriages, I use both. Cars not very often.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 22:43:08 »
Just to confuse teh issue even further DafT have used vehicles. As in 1300 new vehicles.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 22:56:05 »
It's all confusing

Reservations show as Coach.
Train labels say Carriage.

No consistency at all.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 05:48:02 »
Meanwhile...on LUL▸ (London Underground Ltd) or whatever it's called this week.  Cars.... a legacy of Mr Yerkes I believe.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2008, 20:27:34 »
I've seen a Bristol Temple Meads derparture boards say "Train formed of 8 Carriages Today" for an XC▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) service to Plymouth.

But then seen a service at the same station on the departure board "Train formed of 3 Coaches Today"

I think they just use whatever term depnding on what mood the person is in...
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2008, 12:07:55 »
Railway terms "Car" is a Sub division of Coach (see below) as in Baggage Car, Buffet Car, Day Car, Kitchen Car, Pullman Car, Restuarant Car, Sleeping Car, etc. Any more?

Note the term Power Car is not correct! Or wasn't until DMU▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit)'s arrived, however it's now in common use as a NEW word.

Coach refers to the Vehicles of a train such as carriages or vans (excluding the Locomotive).
Twenty years ago passenger trains often conveyed Non passenger stock such as parcel vans, even postal vans.

Carriage refers to a passenger carrying coach.

So these days, the term 3 coaches or 3 carriages are both correct!

In days past a 10 coach train may have had typically 8 or 9 passenger carriages.

I surpose the best Modern day example is when FGW▸ (First Great Western) run 9+2 HST▸ (High Speed Train)'s to Newquay on Summer Saturday with one coach used for luggage it would be correct to say the Train is formed of 9 coaches with 8 (passenger) carriages but that would only confused the public Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 00:03:53 »
Quote from: grahame on December 08, 2008, 06:20:23


Do YOU think "coaches", "cars" or "carriages"?

well in the trade they are known as VEHICLES
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 06:16:08 »
Subliminal advertising, a coach (carriage) in the week, a coach (bus) at weekends!   Shocked
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