Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 08:35 04 May 2024
- 'Shocking' - Women from Wales have to travel to England for abortions
- Will John Swinney change the SNP’s fortunes?
- Women from Wales have to travel to England for abortions
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 18/05/24 - BRTA Westbury
22/05/24 - WWRUG / TransWilts update
02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber

On this day
4th May (1951)
Festival of Britain opens to public (*)

Train RunningCancelled
20:10 Weston-Super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads
22:02 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
05/05/24 00:22 Guildford to Gatwick Airport
Short Run
17:30 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare
05/05/24 06:12 Gatwick Airport to Guildford
Delayed
07:30 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare
10:02 Weston-Super-Mare to London Paddington
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
May 04, 2024, 08:50:19 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[117] Reopening Cullompton and Wellington stations (merged topic)
[107] Just how big is the gap to mind?
[90] Severn Tunnel emergency closure, 2nd May 2024.
[85] Learning in Spain, and learning lessons back for the UK
[37] June to December 2024 Timetables
[36] Walking between stations
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Changes to travel patterns: rail industry responses.  (Read 710 times)
Mark A
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1354


View Profile
« on: July 18, 2023, 09:45:44 »

Question 3 on Graham's list:

3. We have seen an increase in leisure travel and a fall in daily commuting.  How quickly can the railway adjust to meet the new challenges?

Started me thinking on how the railway *has* responded, whether there are examples of best practice to be found in the UK (United Kingdom) (and what has been seen from the railways serving the south west).

Mark
Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40862



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2023, 10:09:19 »

Question 3 on Graham's list:

3. We have seen an increase in leisure travel and a fall in daily commuting.  How quickly can the railway adjust to meet the new challenges?

Started me thinking on how the railway *has* responded, whether there are examples of best practice to be found in the UK (United Kingdom) (and what has been seen from the railways serving the south west).

Mark

We can certainly add a positive corollary looking for good examples and asking how they may be rolled out wider.   Thanks, Mark - utterly agreed with adding this carrot ;-)
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10125


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2023, 10:43:49 »

Very little best practice IME (in my experience)

There’s little incentive for the operators to do anything more than the bare essentials as it usually costs money and all the money they may take is then taken from them in return for their fixed operating fee.

That might not matter too much if there was a coherent quality/growth strategy from government/DfT» (Department for Transport - about).  But there’s very little sign of that (with a few notable exceptions like reopening that were mostly already quite advanced in the planning and funding stages pre-Covid). 

They are thinking the opposite and are working on very short term cost saving strategies, be that a reduction of carriages, staff or services (or a combination of all three).
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7807



View Profile
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2023, 13:17:19 »

Very little best practice IME (in my experience)

There’s little incentive for the operators to do anything more than the bare essentials as it usually costs money and all the money they may take is then taken from them in return for their fixed operating fee.

That might not matter too much if there was a coherent quality/growth strategy from government/DfT» (Department for Transport - about).  But there’s very little sign of that (with a few notable exceptions like reopening that were mostly already quite advanced in the planning and funding stages pre-Covid). 

They are thinking the opposite and are working on very short term cost saving strategies, be that a reduction of carriages, staff or services (or a combination of all three).

Is it short term though?

Business travel, which was the "bunce" is in decline and will inevitably continue in that trajectory. The genie is out of the bottle.

Revenue is 28% down on the pre Covid period but costs rise inexorably.

This could be the shape of things to come. I'd like to see more leisure services, more ability to cope with major sporting events etc, and a more agile, modern and customer focused industry generally but, to quote another regular correspondent......"oooooooooos gonna pay for it?".......the answer is "the taxpayer" and I'm afraid that ship may already have sailed in another direction under this Government,  and quite possibly its successor?
Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10125


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2023, 13:31:29 »

Let’s look at Cornwall.  I would describe reducing your operators available rolling stock in an area which is very tourism biased and is already well above pre-Covid levels on weekends as very short term thinking.

On your other points, yes I largely agree.
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7807



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2023, 14:21:37 »

Let’s look at Cornwall.  I would describe reducing your operators available rolling stock in an area which is very tourism biased and is already well above pre-Covid levels on weekends as very short term thinking.

On your other points, yes I largely agree.

Very good point re: Cornwall and equally failing to ensure that there are sufficient crew available to run the full, advertised services to Looe, Newquay and other branches on Summer Saturdays is extremely poor too in the same context.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page