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61  All across the Great Western territory / Buses and other ways to travel / Re: Bus fare evasion arrest, Croydon on: July 25, 2023, 16:09:53
I'm more interested in what exactly was being checked and how. The circumstances of the arrest are also interesting, but probably in other ways and for other threads. (Yes, I misnamed this one.) Thanks for the information in the posts above.
62  All across the Great Western territory / Buses and other ways to travel / Re: Bus fare evasion arrest, Croydon on: July 25, 2023, 11:58:52
But can checking the contactless show what has been paid for? I took two bus journeys yesterday, paying for both by contactless, (neither in London, so possibly they have a different system) and all that's showing is a 10p "holding" charge.
63  All across the Great Western territory / Buses and other ways to travel / Bus fare evasion arrest, Croydon on: July 25, 2023, 10:12:31
(I'm not sure if this is better here, in Fare's Fair, or elsewhere – so mods please move if appropriate)

I'd just like to understand what happened in this case. A woman was arrested on a TfL» (Transport for London - about) bus for alleged fare evasion (which turned out to be an incorrect allegation). What I don't understand is how this would be checked, seeing as those buses do not issue tickets, you just tap to pay (and unlike other places, don't even tap out).

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The Met said she was later released when it was confirmed she had paid for her ticket.
I presume "ticket" is just journalese rather than referring to an actual piece of paper or electronic token.

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The Met said the woman left the bus after not complying with a revenue inspector's request to check that she had paid her fare.
So how on earth can it be checked? It's unlikely to even show in your bank account till the end of the day, and that doesn't distinguish different journeys.

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66290457 but loads of reports all over the various news outlets.
64  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Could Scotrail benefit from West Coast Railways misfortune? on: July 23, 2023, 13:55:54
Really good photo. ^^
65  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: TfL plan to scrap Travelcards on: July 22, 2023, 13:40:18
The amazing quantum qualities of age: 17 on the birth certificate, 15 on the bus, 18 in the off-licence!
66  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: TfL plan to scrap Travelcards on: July 22, 2023, 12:06:15
Children under 10 don't need a ticket on TfL» (Transport for London - about) services as long as they (up to 4 of them) are accompanied by an adult who has paid his or her fare.

Presumably, that means approaching a manned gate and ask to be let through?

I would imagine that will be how it works.

I was unaware of the exemption for under-10s when, several years ago now, I approached the barriers and asked how to get a ticket for my then 11 year old son. Couldn't see how to get it from a machine and no ticket office (or not that was open). Staff said something along the lines of 'I don't believe he's 11, he looks 10 to me, he doesn't need a ticket.' Boy was, of course, not pleased to be 'downgraded'!
67  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: TfL plan to scrap Travelcards on: July 22, 2023, 12:01:33
Perhaps the long-term answer is to make railcards smart. Give them RFID and link to a bank account.
68  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Could Scotrail benefit from West Coast Railways misfortune? on: July 22, 2023, 11:59:04
The potential customers of the Jacobite would seem to be Harry Potter fans, rather than rail fans or scenery lovers.
69  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 17, 2023, 14:05:48
The figures given look as if they probably relate to number of tickets. Or maybe number of transactions. Yes, those can be very different. They don't look like revenue anyway.
70  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 16, 2023, 17:35:35
Don't know if this is at all relevant to the debate, but I went to Bristol Temple Meads today, and took these two photos - about 2 minutes apart:


I'm trying to imagine what this queue might look like when it terminates not at a row of windows but at the same number of staff arranged somehow, we don't know how, on the station concourse. Perhaps we will have a number of parallel queues? Or perhaps the ticket-selling staff will be lined up outside the windows and the queue will be identical (in which case...)?
71  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 16, 2023, 17:29:16
I use TVMs (Ticket Vending Machine) regularly – but either for a regular and simple journey, eg Bath or Gloucester, or when I've already looked up the possibilities online and know what ticket I want. But I was surprised to see how few people use them according to the stats in the GWR (Great Western Railway) document that was linked to somewhere earlier in this thread.* Or I suppose I should say how few tickets are sold from them, as number of tickets does not necessarily equate to number of unique passengers.

*What's perhaps surprising is that this seems to be the opposite of shopping in a supermarket, where I'm one of those who prefers to queue at a human-operated till while the automatic checkouts are the more popular option generally.
72  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 14, 2023, 17:04:27
It might be different for season tickets but what I've had to do in the past is upload a photo of the ticket cut in half.
73  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 14, 2023, 13:01:41
More widespread availability of advance fares from larger stations, so people more less likely to buy a walk on fare?
And people more likely to be using these stations as the start of a longer journey, so more likely to be planned further in advance.
74  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 13, 2023, 01:37:50
There was a figure given either in this or the other thread that only 12% of tickets are now sold from ticket offices. Where did that come from? I can't find it now. And is there a breakdown for the remaining 88% between TVMs (Ticket Vending Machine), online, and on-train?

It's from the Rail Delivery Group

https://media.raildeliverygroup.com/news/proposals-to-update-the-railway-for-how-passengers-use-it-today

And there’s more detailed GWR (Great Western Railway) station by station stats here:

https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/Changes-to-Ticket-Retailing-at-GWR-Stations-v2.pdf
Thanks. Huge variation! And interesting to note that some of the stations with ticket office sales listed, don't actually have ticket offices as such.
75  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket Office Closure Consultation on: July 12, 2023, 12:50:29
There was a figure given either in this or the other thread that only 12% of tickets are now sold from ticket offices. Where did that come from? I can't find it now. And is there a breakdown for the remaining 88% between TVMs (Ticket Vending Machine), online, and on-train?
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