Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 04:35 02 May 2024
- Ex-Camelot boss named as new Post Office chairman
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 18/05/24 - BRTA Westbury
22/05/24 - WWRUG / TransWilts update
02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber

On this day
2nd May (1859)
Wilton South station opened

Train RunningCancelled
07:40 Bristol Temple Meads to Westbury
Short Run
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington
04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads
05:23 Hereford to London Paddington
06:50 Westbury to Weymouth
Delayed
06:00 London Paddington to Penzance
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
May 02, 2024, 04:39:32 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[113] Train drivers "overwhelmingly white middle aged men"
[100] Leven, Fife, Scotland, fast forward a month
[58] Visiting the pub on the way home.
[53] underground plans for Bristol update.
[38] Vintage film - how valid are these issues today?
[37] Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption el...
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
  Home Help Search Calendar Login Register  
  Show Posts
Pages: 1 ... 126 127 [128] 129 130 ... 334
1906  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 20, 2020, 17:11:08
A commonsense way of defining a DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) would in my view be as follows.

Powered primarily by one or more diesel engines that are contained within the passenger carrying vehicles. (usually under the floor, but elsewhere in the same vehicle, as in a Hampshire unit is still a DMU)
An electric IET (Intercity Express Train) is NOT a DMU because it although it DOES have a diesel engine in a passenger vehicle, it is not primarily powered thereby.

By this common sense definition IETs are DMUs, even the 9 car ones that dont normally run in multiple.

HSTs (High Speed Train) are not thus considered to be DMUs since the engines are in separate vehicles not normally used by passengers. And no, an HST does not suddenly become a DMU if passengers stand in the power car.
1907  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 20, 2020, 00:14:39
'Downgrade', 'Proper Inter-City trains' and 'DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit)' - could well be a line if you're playing Broadgage Bingo at home folks...

I have avoided unduly frequent comment about the above.
However a great many people consider IETs (Intercity Express Train) to be a downgrade, in regard to seating comfort, catering provision, luggage space in general, and cycles and surfboards in particular.

Many people consider that HSTs (High Speed Train) were proper inter city trains, with padded seats, buffets, luggage space, and general quality. The new units have been widely compared to local trains, not inter city trains.

There seems to be a reluctance to admit that the new units are DMUs, but they ARE equipped with underfloor engines, and they ARE powered thereby for most of the journey to Plymouth or beyond. So on what basis should they considered as not being DMUs ?
1908  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 19, 2020, 23:26:18
I wonder if someone at First Group has been told off for the bad timing of this downgrade.
What should have been done would have been to ban surfboards at least 5 years ago, and perhaps longer ago.
Then they could have blamed the surfboard ban on "better meeting customer needs". But now people (like me) are blaming it on the downgrade from proper inter city trains to 5 car DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit)

And this is not self interest, I am much too old and fat to consider use of a surfboard. Such items should however be carried on inter city trains, especially those that serve holiday destinations popular with surfers.

 
1909  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 19, 2020, 20:16:47
The ban on the carriage of surfboards on IETs (Intercity Express Train) continues to be a cause of complaint.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54162329

Surely this could easily be achieved by making the kitchens slightly smaller so space can be made for a small guards van next to the access door which is not open to the public?

Not really, the full kitchen space is needed for Pullman service.
1910  All across the Great Western territory / Media about railways, and other means of transport / Re: Chris Grayling does it again - and is now gone on: September 19, 2020, 10:11:03
Perhaps the "big floaty thing" is the spaceship containing the aliens whom have decided to invade Felixstowe instead of Harwich.
1911  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 18, 2020, 15:32:20
Meal service is indeed over by about Exeter.
However for passengers going beyond Plymouth, having to change at, or before Plymouth is a powerful disincentive to use of the Pullman.
Likewise in the up direction, having to board the 5 car unit at anywhere west of Plymouth, and then alight and move to the other portion is backward step. Especially when the second unit fails to arrive/function. (as those in the know all pile into what is now the only unit to London, those who had alighted in hope of dining will now have to stand.)

And as for the depot at Penzance only taking 5 cars, a cynic like me would suspect that the intention was to use primarily 5 car units, so no point in a depot that can take a full length train.
It was certainly implied that 9 cars units would be used for Pullman services, but that I suspect was simply a ploy to mollify people like me, and not actually what was intended.
A bit like all the grand promises made about the trolley, none of which were regularly achieved.
1912  Sideshoots - associated subjects / News, Help and Assistance / Re: When does a thread become stale? on: September 17, 2020, 13:47:31
I consider that the present arrangement is fine.

BTW (by the way), I am a member of another forum (not rail related) in which threads are locked after a certain time. This is IMHO (in my humble opinion) a poor choice as numerous threads get started on the same subject.
1913  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 17, 2020, 12:33:35
I'm sure the Pullman aficionados on this board will be fully agreed that Pullman services ought to be formed of full-length (9-car) trains!

Yes.
Near the beginning of the IET (Intercity Express Train) saga, I and others doubted the suitability of a pair of 5 car units Pullman services. Advocates of IETs suggested that full length units would be used for Pullman services and the kitchens in the shorter units were to provide the at seat hot snacks from the new improved trolley. (now sunk without trace)

Then it was discovered that a full length unit wont fit the depot at Penzance and that most services thereto would be 5 car.
Restaurant only available to half the train.
Limited non dining first class seats in the dining portion.
Restaurant customers going west of Plymouth have to alight thereat and walk along the platform to the other portion.
1914  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Returning to holidays and leisure trips - but UK or overseas? on: September 16, 2020, 23:59:36
For the foreseeable future, there will be a demand for overseas holidays for the reasons given of visiting historic places or hoping  to see a particular person.

However a lot of holidays are primarily for sun, sea, sand and booze. Such breaks COULD be taken in the UK (United Kingdom) and some more  WOULD be taken in the UK if travel was easier, and refreshment was cheaper.

Rail travel is seen as hugely complicated, and very expensive. Look at some of the threads on this forum regarding the validity or not of certain tickets.
No such complications for a package holiday to Spain. Advertised at a certain price, pay this price and off you go.
Split ticketing ? not needed.
1915  Journey by Journey / Cross Country services / Re: Tatty XC Vomiters on: September 16, 2020, 23:43:57
I prefer the revival of old threads to the starting of a new thread on the same or a very similar subject.
Keeps the discussion in one place.

If I have something to say, I search for an existing thread to which my comments could be added, rather than start a new one.

A good example being my recent comment on surfboards not being allowed on IETS. In the news recently, and worth adding to an existing thread IMO (in my opinion), but not worth starting a new thread.
1916  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Returning to holidays and leisure trips - but UK or overseas? on: September 16, 2020, 20:46:30
I would reduce prices as earlier described, but also have a bit more law enforcement.
I doubt that my proposed reductions in prices of draught and SOME bottled beer would make the herds of young drunks much worse. I think that they mainly drink spirits and trendy imported bottled beers. Neither would be reduced in price under my proposals.
Neither would port.
1917  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Returning to holidays and leisure trips - but UK or overseas? on: September 16, 2020, 20:07:44
I would also reduce the duty charged on beer and cider in standardized, deposit charged, returnable bottles, subject to the following conditions.

1) The bottles must be of a standard type, fully interchangeable between different suppliers.
2) Made of recycled dark colored glass.
3) Only 3 sizes to be permitted, 275ml, 550ml, and 1 liter.
4) These bottles to be supplied in returnable crates, these may coloured as desired but must be a standard design, intended to withstand at least 200 round trips.
5) A deposit of 25 pence for the two smaller sizes, and 50 pence for the larger size, and five pounds per empty crate to be charged.
1918  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Returning to holidays and leisure trips - but UK or overseas? on: September 16, 2020, 19:57:23
Just to be clear the alcohol duty is the same regardless of where it is sold. However, I assume pubs end up paying more in other taxes(?)
So you are looking to reduce alcohol duty in pubs to offset this?

If I were in charge, that is exactly what I would do.
I would reduce the duty on draught* beer, cider and similar drinks, which would also reduce the environmental harm resulting from the careless disposal of cans and bottles.

*To avoid attempts at evasion, "draught" would have be carefully defined, I would suggest the following.
If a product is to benefit from the lower duty rate applicable to draught products, then all the following conditions must be satisfied.
1) The drink must be supplied in reusable containers with a minimum capacity of 40 liters.
2) These containers must be of durable construction and designed to last for at least 200 round trips.
3) If these containers are supplied to anyone other than a licensed bar, then a deposit of at least ?25 must be charged.
1919  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 16, 2020, 14:40:22
Airlines are indeed very restrictive WRT (with regard to ) luggage, however trains should perhaps be better than airlines, rather than seeking to become as bad.
1920  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: September 16, 2020, 12:13:38
My understanding is that "three items of luggage" are indeed allowed, but that only one "large" item is permitted, such as a suitcase or rucksack, with two small items such as plastic shopping bags.
I recall a case shortly after the then Virgin Cross Country introduced new shorter trains. A passenger was turned away for carrying four supermarket shopping bags "the rules limit you to three items, you have exceeded that"
In the good old days, four shopping bags would have been fine if less than 50 kilos in total weight.

For long distance services likely to convey holiday makers, the carrying of bulky luggage is part of running a railway, even if not directly profitable.
Pages: 1 ... 126 127 [128] 129 130 ... 334
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page