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« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2012, 23:07:45 »

XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s token offering of the day, an 18:38 Weymouth to Birmingham New Street service has been provided by a 4-Car Voyager.  They couldn't even be bothered rostering a 5-Car on it, let alone an 8/9/10 car.  I'm not sure whether that's due to the number of people down there today, or just because XC are a pretty lethargic and shoddy TOC (Train Operating Company)!

1O02 0604 BMH-WEY 4 car
1O04 0511 MAN-WEY 5 car
1Z80 1135 WEY-BMH 5 car
1Z81 1235 BMH-WEY 5 car
1M74 1741 WEY-MAN 5 car
1M78 1830 WEY-BHM 4 car

Was today's offering.

The fifth HST (High Speed Train) is never really a spare but receiving scheduled maintenance at Craigentinny. Unlike a lot of TOCs where fleets have some downtime in between the peaks, XC are dealing with peaks in tens of cities across the country and the fleet are generally in use from the time they leave the depot in the morning to the time they return at night. For example at EC the last set for NES-SW working comes off shed at approximately 0600 and the first one back at night is approximately 2230. The times are slightly later for the daily EDB-RDG(resolve) and SOU-EDB workings which are outside the core and partially due to capacity issues at Tyne Yard.

The Weymouth workings are obviously an important event, but not at the front of the minds of people trying to get to work or go on holiday. The reason why some of the workings are a four car is that the four car will have already been scavenged from services which would generally run in the summer as an eight car, they in turn will be running five v eight and in turn there will be diagrams running four v five.

As for running HSTs on the route, the long swing link bogies have already been covered. Add to this the fact that Bournemouth Drivers and Train Managers don't sign HSTs, Reading Train Managers don't sign HSTs, Birmingham Drivers and Train Managers that DO sign HSTs don't sign the route from Birmingham to Reading or Bournemouth, Manchester Train Managers and Longsight Drivers who sign the route as far as Reading don't sign HSTs!

The train managers working Weymouth trains from Bournemouth learned the route on a volunteer basis in consultation with the unions (as they will be off their usual booked workings for the course of the Olympics) and drivers likewise. The drivers were generally ex SWT (South West Trains) drivers that joined in the last intake and had therefore recently signed Weymouth.

In the world of BR (British Rail(ways)) traincrew depots would know most traction and stock that passed through their station but in these days it just isn't feasible.
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« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2012, 08:55:51 »

How likely is one to fail for two weeks of the Games? (or how ever long the sailing is on for)

If they can't run to Weymouth, get all 5 out and free a Voyager to go to Weymouth/make a Weymouth 8 car.

Here's the Manchester-Weymouth XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) on Monday (5-car 221), alongside a SWT (South West Trains) 159/158 5-car combination on the Bournemouth-Weymouth shuttle.
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« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2012, 11:23:16 »

XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s token offering of the day, an 18:38 Weymouth to Birmingham New Street service has been provided by a 4-Car Voyager.  They couldn't even be bothered rostering a 5-Car on it, let alone an 8/9/10 car.  I'm not sure whether that's due to the number of people down there today, or just because XC are a pretty lethargic and shoddy TOC (Train Operating Company)!

1O02 0604 BMH-WEY 4 car
1O04 0511 MAN-WEY 5 car
1Z80 1135 WEY-BMH 5 car
1Z81 1235 BMH-WEY 5 car
1M74 1741 WEY-MAN 5 car
1M78 1830 WEY-BHM 4 car

Was today's offering.


An it should be added that 1O02, 1O04, 1M74 and 1M78 all run as double Voyager sets until/from Bournemouth, so, Sunday apart, well done XC.
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« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2012, 16:35:31 »

This is something I have come across before on other services and is very annoying.  There is no mention I can find on the printed timetable nor the website concerning this change with the 17:06.  It is all well and good putting it on journey planners but if someone has the printed timetable  ....

Not just the printed timetables ... the timetable (.pdf) on www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk (table 5, until 14th September) shows it as running throughout the timetable's validity.

So the next direct train from Paddington to Trowbridge and Bradford-on-Avon runs on 13th August?  Cheesy .

I'm not critical of the decision to run it on to Westbury and Weymouth after its Pewsey call ... just sad that the change which I would imagine has been planned for a long time didn't make it to the printed timetable, and very surprised that even as I write the FGW (First Great Western) website still shows (in the "authority" place) the 17:06 as running to Bristol all through the next weeks.

According to Journeycheck the amended service has er... been amended....

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17:06 London Paddington to Westbury due 18:53 This train will be diverted from Bath Spa.
This train will call additionally at Trowbridge, Bradford-On-Avon, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads.
This train will no longer call at Westbury.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.
Additional Information:
This service has been amended due to London Games 2012 Customer Commitments. Any customers at London Paddington & Reading for Westbury can travel on the 17:33 London Paddington to Paignton service.
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« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2012, 16:52:18 »

This is something I have come across before on other services and is very annoying.  There is no mention I can find on the printed timetable nor the website concerning this change with the 17:06.  It is all well and good putting it on journey planners but if someone has the printed timetable  ....

Not just the printed timetables ... the timetable (.pdf) on www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk (table 5, until 14th September) shows it as running throughout the timetable's validity.

So the next direct train from Paddington to Trowbridge and Bradford-on-Avon runs on 13th August?  Cheesy .

I'm not critical of the decision to run it on to Westbury and Weymouth after its Pewsey call ... just sad that the change which I would imagine has been planned for a long time didn't make it to the printed timetable, and very surprised that even as I write the FGW (First Great Western) website still shows (in the "authority" place) the 17:06 as running to Bristol all through the next weeks.

According to Journeycheck the amended service has er... been amended....

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17:06 London Paddington to Westbury due 18:53 This train will be diverted from Bath Spa.
This train will call additionally at Trowbridge, Bradford-On-Avon, Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads.
This train will no longer call at Westbury.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.
Additional Information:
This service has been amended due to London Games 2012 Customer Commitments. Any customers at London Paddington & Reading for Westbury can travel on the 17:33 London Paddington to Paignton service.

This confirms what the Area Operations Manager (FGW) told me at Weymouth on Monday that the plan might change if Weymouth numbers didn't warrant, the set would be used for the football in Cardiff.
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« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2012, 21:27:56 »

This happened last week to the last evening service from Taunton to London Paddington.  For one day only it terminated at Swindon - but again no mention anywhere except Journeyplanner.

Looks like it was planned to happen again this week - only now it has been extended to Reading.  Any bets on whether the additional train from Reading to London Paddington is, in fact, the same set?

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21:29 Taunton to Swindon due 23:14
This train will be diverted from Swindon.
This train will be terminated at Reading at 23:46.
This train will call additionally at Didcot Parkway and Reading.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.

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An additional train service will run as the 00:05 Reading to London Paddington.
Calling at London Paddington.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow

Message Received :01/08/2012 20:59
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« Reply #96 on: August 02, 2012, 01:43:13 »


An it should be added that 1O02, 1O04, 1M74 and 1M78 all run as double Voyager sets until/from Bournemouth, so, Sunday apart, well done XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)).

1M78 is a double set from Bomo but is only single manned so will be running with one unit locked out of use.
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« Reply #97 on: August 02, 2012, 02:06:39 »

This happened last week to the last evening service from Taunton to London Paddington.  For one day only it terminated at Swindon - but again no mention anywhere except Journeyplanner.

Looks like it was planned to happen again this week - only now it has been extended to Reading.  Any bets on whether the additional train from Reading to London Paddington is, in fact, the same set?

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21:29 Taunton to Swindon due 23:14
This train will be diverted from Swindon.
This train will be terminated at Reading at 23:46.
This train will call additionally at Didcot Parkway and Reading.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.

Message Received :01/08/2012 20:54

An additional train service will run as the 00:05 Reading to London Paddington.
Calling at London Paddington.
This is due to an unusually large passenger flow

Message Received :01/08/2012 20:59

Set from Reading was a Turbo
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« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2012, 11:06:55 »

Not a good day to have services short formed with many expected to head to Weymouth with two medal races taking place today. I can understand it being difficult to source an extra carriage at short notice for the 09.20 but surely FGW (First Great Western) can get an extra carriage down to Weymouth in time for the 17.56 especially as it's Sunday?

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09:20 Bristol Temple Meads to Weymouth due 11:43
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 5.
Additional Facilities Information:
This is due to vandalism to one of the coaches.

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17:56 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads due 20:18
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 5.
This is due to vandalism.
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« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2012, 12:08:48 »

Not a good day to have services short formed with many expected to head to Weymouth with two medal races taking place today. I can understand it being difficult to source an extra carriage at short notice for the 09.20 but surely FGW (First Great Western) can get an extra carriage down to Weymouth in time for the 17.56 especially as it's Sunday?

There's an extra train an 18:26 from Weymouth to Bristol (and Cardiff) ... probably five extra carriages, and First will have had the benefit of knowing whether the crowds going down this morning were big enough to require sending something more down.   The 17:56, last high summer, was five (or even six) carriages on a Sunday - dividing at Westbury for Bristol and Cheltenham via Swindon.  The two / three carriages forward to Bristol left Westbury around 40% loaded; it was the Swindon / Cheltenham section, which also varied between 2 and 3 coaches, which was - err - overloaded.  The metrics are different this year; without a connection from Swindon to Weymouth in the morning, the 17:56 doesn't need to be a maximum-length train to get those particular returning crowds home.

So - summary - probably no need to get an extra carriage down ... and it would have been 2 extras unless there was a 153 available, which would have  meant replatforming at Weymouth as the FGW platform only takes 5 cars.
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« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2012, 18:34:23 »

It's also possible that the train was formed of 5 carriages, but that one was unavailable for use because of vandalism to it. The platforms would have been too short to take 6 carriages. Loadings the last week to Weymouth have not been that large either apparently.
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« Reply #101 on: August 05, 2012, 19:05:40 »

Loadings the last week to Weymouth have not been that large either apparently.
Indeed, but today Weymouth has seen something near the crowds they were expecting during the sailing events so i'd expect SWT (South West Trains), FGW (First Great Western) and XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) have had a busier day today.
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« Reply #102 on: August 05, 2012, 19:25:19 »

the news is reporting the beach at weymouth had to be closed to further visitors with 15000 people said to be there on the beach
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« Reply #103 on: August 05, 2012, 19:31:33 »

the news is reporting the beach at weymouth had to be closed to further visitors with 15000 people said to be there on the beach
It was definitely the busiest day in Weymouth so far. Ironic that it was a Sunday timetable on the trains!
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« Reply #104 on: August 05, 2012, 19:38:29 »

It was definitely the busiest day in Weymouth so far. Ironic that it was a Sunday timetable on the trains!
But with extra trains.
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