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« on: September 30, 2009, 15:53:48 »

I recently used a Ride Cornwall ticket, I bought it at the same time as a Newton Abbot to Plymouth return from the ticket office at Newton Abbot.  I was surprised when I was asked for me name and this was printed on the ticket.  I can understand this for season tickets as you have a photocard but is there really a need to have your name printed a day ranger?
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 16:13:06 »

I recently used a Ride Cornwall ticket, I bought it at the same time as a Newton Abbot to Plymouth return from the ticket office at Newton Abbot.  I was surprised when I was asked for me name and this was printed on the ticket.  I can understand this for season tickets as you have a photocard but is there really a need to have your name printed a day ranger?

doesn't make a lot a sense unless you are required to carry a photocard or some other form of photo ID
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 21:16:45 »

I recently used a Ride Cornwall ticket, I bought it at the same time as a Newton Abbot to Plymouth return from the ticket office at Newton Abbot.  I was surprised when I was asked for me name and this was printed on the ticket.  I can understand this for season tickets as you have a photocard but is there really a need to have your name printed a day ranger?

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 21:42:14 »

All rovers and rangers are meant to have the holders name printed on it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 21:56:48 »

I'm not doubting you for a moment, vacman Wink - but there's no indication of this, or as to why, in the FGW (First Great Western) terms and conditions for such tickets?

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 22:09:42 »

Printing a name would make sense on rovers that are valid for more than one day if a record was kept on the ticket issuing system. This would facilitate replacing lost tickets. However, I'm not sure any such record of purchase is retained on TRUST (Train Running System TOPS) etc.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 22:21:25 »

I don't know if this is an official reason but I'd suspect as a Rover/Ranger ticket allows much more travel than just a normal return ticket, there is more chance of it being transferred to other persons, which a train company would want to restrict.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 22:31:12 »

Hmm ... thanks, Ollie!  Wink

But aren't we then back to the debate as to whether there is any requirement for the holder of such a Rover / Ranger ticket to produce any ID (whether photo or not), to prove they are the person named on that ticket?

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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 22:42:40 »

ENFORCEMENT AND INTERPRETATION
23. Name and address
(1) Any person reasonably suspected by an authorised person of breaching or attempting to breach any of these Byelaws shall give his name and address when asked by an authorised person.
(2) The authorised person asking for details under Byelaw 23(1) shall state the nature of the breach of any of these Byelaws in general terms at the time of the request.

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(1) Definitions
In these Byelaws the following expressions have the following meanings:
^authorised person^ means:
(i) a person acting in the course of his duties who:
(a) is an employee or agent of an Operator, or
(b) any other person authorised by an Operator, or
(ii) any constable, acting in the execution of his duties upon or in connection with the railway;

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Would that do?

Source: http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/regs/railwaysbyelaws.pdf
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 22:53:33 »

I have no problem with any of that, Ollie - but it doesn't address the issue of where it says I apparently have to give my name, when buying a one-day Cornwall Rover ticket!  Wink

It doesn't in FGW (First Great Western)'s terms and conditions, certainly!  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 22:59:23 »

Aha well I give up then Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 02:39:43 »

Printing a name would make sense on rovers that are valid for more than one day if a record was kept on the ticket issuing system. This would facilitate replacing lost tickets. However, I'm not sure any such record of purchase is retained on TRUST (Train Running System TOPS) etc.
Isn't TRUST the train reporting system, nothing to do with tickets.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2009, 02:49:53 »

Printing a name would make sense on rovers that are valid for more than one day if a record was kept on the ticket issuing system. This would facilitate replacing lost tickets. However, I'm not sure any such record of purchase is retained on TRUST (Train Running System TOPS) etc.
Isn't TRUST the train reporting system, nothing to do with tickets.

Absolutely right, apologies Embarrassed. I meant TRIBUTE, or FujitsuSTAR, or ShereSMART..... multiple TOCS, multiple ticket issuing systems. Integrated transport.....pah!!
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2009, 15:38:44 »

I have no problem with any of that, Ollie - but it doesn't address the issue of where it says I apparently have to give my name, when buying a one-day Cornwall Rover ticket!  Wink

It doesn't in FGW (First Great Western)'s terms and conditions, certainly!  Grin

Isn't it in the Lisbon Treaty ? Once the Irish learn how to do a referendum properly and the Treaty is ratified you will have to give a DNA sample as well   Grin
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 16:08:47 »

I could make a very smutty joke at that point but I'm going to refrain.  Grin
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