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« Reply #1005 on: May 09, 2015, 13:36:12 » |
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If it was the latter of the two evening services to Penzance it could well have been due to a very short turn around because of a late incoming service.
The 1903 service to Penzance was formed of the 1830 arrival from Swansea. That didn't pull into Paddington until 1852.
The earlier Penzance service at 1803 also had a tight turn round with its incoming service from Swansea, due in at 1730, pulling in at 1745.
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« Reply #1006 on: May 09, 2015, 15:23:41 » |
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Presuming the food and drink is waiting for the train arrival, how long does it take to load?
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« Reply #1007 on: May 09, 2015, 16:06:48 » |
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Presuming the food and drink is waiting for the train arrival, how long does it take to load?
Only a few minutes, less than is required for filling toilet tanks, removing litter, and applying reservation slips. Had the supplies been waiting on the platform I feel that they would have been loaded. The absence of buffet supplies on the train suggests that they were NOT on the platform ready for loading. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1008 on: May 09, 2015, 17:06:02 » |
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If it was the latter of the two evening services to Penzance it could well have been due to a very short turn around because of a late incoming service.
The 1903 service to Penzance was formed of the 1830 arrival from Swansea. That didn't pull into Paddington until 1852.
The earlier Penzance service at 1803 also had a tight turn round with its incoming service from Swansea, due in at 1730, pulling in at 1745.
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« Reply #1009 on: May 10, 2015, 22:44:18 » |
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Only a few minutes, less than is required for filling toilet tanks
Or emptying them. |
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« Reply #1010 on: May 10, 2015, 22:48:58 » |
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I think he means the filling of the 'fresh' water to be used for flushing them: the effluent tends to be dumped (if you'll pardon the expression) on the tracks.  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #1011 on: May 11, 2015, 10:01:41 » |
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Indeed, I was referring to the filling of the toilet flushing tanks, that also supply the water for handwashing in the toilets.
There are no effluent tanks to be emptied on High Speed Trains (HST▸ )s.
The filling of these tanks takes only a few minutes and may be observed at Paddington. Most of the platform edge is solid stone or concrete, but short sections are of hinged steel and may be lifted up to reveal the water supply and attached hose for tank filling.
This is one reason why trains should not be boarded until advertised lest passengers trip over the raised cover or hose, or slip on any spilled water.
People like me who board before the train be advertised on the departure board do so at their own risk and should also take extra care.
Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1012 on: May 15, 2015, 17:55:37 » |
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How about catering provision for the masses rather than just the very small % who can afford the Pullman? Is that written in? Any idea what is to be provided as a minimum?
Sorry, couldn't tell you. I was only chatting about Pullmans. We'll just have to wait until the DfT» get round to publishing (or responding to FOI▸ requests for) the recently signed franchise agreement. They replied to my FOI request and initially rejected it on the grounds that it was planned for future publication and FirstGroup hadn't finished redacting the commercially sensitive parts yet. They have now released the franchise agreement (FA) ( available here) but I also asked for the Service Level Commitment ( SLC▸ ) which doesn't appear to be available yet. |
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Don't DOO▸ it, keep the guard (but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea if the driver unlocked the doors on arrival at calling points).
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« Reply #1013 on: May 15, 2015, 18:05:43 » |
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We need to reference this file in a Franchise thread too, I think
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« Reply #1014 on: May 15, 2015, 18:51:13 » |
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How about catering provision for the masses rather than just the very small % who can afford the Pullman? Is that written in? Any idea what is to be provided as a minimum?
Sorry, couldn't tell you. I was only chatting about Pullmans. We'll just have to wait until the DfT» get round to publishing (or responding to FOI▸ requests for) the recently signed franchise agreement. They replied to my FOI request and initially rejected it on the grounds that it was planned for future publication and FirstGroup hadn't finished redacting the commercially sensitive parts yet. They have now released the franchise agreement (FA) ( available here) but I also asked for the Service Level Commitment ( SLC▸ ) which doesn't appear to be available yet. Funnily enough, just checked my inbox and there was an email from the DfT saying much the same. I'd FOI'd them a while back too. |
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« Reply #1015 on: May 15, 2015, 18:55:25 » |
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Pullman specification is for just a minimum four services per weekday across the entire network.
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« Reply #1016 on: May 15, 2015, 20:40:20 » |
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So that'd be 2 up & 2 back?
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« Reply #1017 on: May 15, 2015, 21:03:11 » |
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Wording is an at seat first class "Pullman" dining service to be provided on at least two Passenger Services in each direction each Weekday on either or both of the routes between London Paddington and Plymouth and between London Paddington and Cardiff; |
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« Reply #1018 on: May 16, 2015, 13:04:04 » |
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Pullman specification is for just a minimum four services per weekday across the entire network.
I would have preferred to see more than just 4 services a day protected under the franchise agreement, but 4 is a lot better than none and hopefully they will do more than the minimum requirement. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1019 on: May 16, 2015, 20:42:28 » |
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Wording is an at seat first class "Pullman" dining service to be provided on at least two Passenger Services in each direction each Weekday on either or both of the routes between London Paddington and Plymouth and between London Paddington and Cardiff; That doesn't define if it will be for First Class ticket holders only, First Class will be complimentary and open to paying Standard Class passengers or everyone pays? So I wonder what context the wording first class "Pullman" actually applies to... |
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