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751  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: First / MTR win South Western franchise 2017 - 2024, and CMA raises competition concerns (merged topic) on: June 22, 2017, 00:02:23
They list enhancements for passengers, including wide gangways, but the accompanying picture shows... no Unit-End Gangways (UEGs (Unit End Gangway)). Granted the illustration may be an impression of the 10-car sets, but given we have not seen an Aventra with UEGs I suspect the 5-car sets won't have them either. If you're not only having wide gangways but also promoting them as an enhanced feature then not allowing passengers to move between a pair of 5-car units in multiple leaves a 'bad taste'. If you want to run the railway in the best interests of passengers, then if you order units that are intended to run in multiple you should specify that said units must have UEGs.

The existing 455 units on SWT (South West Trains) have UEGs but they are locked out of use. I suspect the Southern versions are too.
752  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Glastonbury Festival 2017 - advance purchase tickets now on sale on: June 21, 2017, 22:23:35
Noted today (21 June) that South West Trains seem to be operating a number of through services from Waterloo to Castle Cary via Westbury.  Don't remember this occurring before.

Definitely ran some last year and fairly sure they have done so for a few years

Last year definitely, but I don't remember seeing any publicity in previous years.
753  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Born to travel? on: June 20, 2017, 21:39:15
If you were born in the middle of an ocean on a plane or boat, what would the place of birth on your passport show? Huh
754  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: First / MTR win South Western franchise 2017 - 2024, and CMA raises competition concerns (merged topic) on: June 20, 2017, 21:17:14
I see it's been announced this morning that Bombardier has won the order for 750 new vehicles. Great news for Derby.

Yes.  Its announced here: http://www.firstgroupplc.com/news-and-media/latest-news/2017/20-06-17.aspx

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FirstGroup and MTR order £895m new trains for South Western rail franchise

20 Jun 2017

FirsrGroup Bombardier South WesternMuch needed extra seats for suburban rail services into London Waterloo moved a step closer today as new South Western franchise operators FirstGroup and MTR signed an order for 90 new trains (750 new carriages, in five and 10 car formations).
 
The £895m fleet of “AVENTRA” trains, providing a 46% increase in peak capacity on the suburban routes into Waterloo, will be manufactured by Bombardier Transportation in Derby. The new trains will enhance the travelling experience for customers with free reliable Wi-Fi, at-seat charging points, real time information screens, air conditioning, wide gangways and wide doors to improve ease of boarding and alighting. The new trains will start to come into service from mid 2019 and will all be in place by December 2020.
 
The new trains will operate on the Windsor, Reading and West London suburban routes. The fleet will be maintained at Wimbledon depot, with South Western franchise employees undertaking the maintenance, supported by Bombardier employees who will supply technical advice and spares.
 
FirstGroup and MTR included the plans for these new trains as part of their winning bid for the South Western rail network, with the new franchise due to start on 20 August this year. They will be capable of 100mph, be highly energy efficient and will contribute to reduced journey times.
 
Funding for the trains has been led by sponsor Rock Rail and partners SL Capital (part of Standard Life Investments) and GLIL Infrastructure LLP, who all provided the equity investment. The senior debt is provided by a consortium of UK (United Kingdom), European and North American institutional investors.  The trains will be leased to the new South Western rail franchise.
 
Transport Minister Paul Maynard said: “We are delivering the biggest rail modernisation programme for over a century and this franchise will provide more frequent trains, faster journeys and a more reliable service that passengers across the South Western network expect.
 
“This multi-million pound investment in a new fleet of British-built trains is excellent news for South Western passengers and the British economy. This investment reflects our commitment, and that of train operators, to put passengers at the heart of everything we do, and will improve journeys and target congestion.”
 
Steve Montgomery, Managing Director, First Rail said: "We have exciting plans for the South Western rail franchise and these new trains are an important step on the way to delivering an improved journey experience for our passengers.  We know from listening to passengers and stakeholders that alongside improved performance, what they want to see is additional seats and we will deliver this via these state-of-the-art trains."
 
Jeremy Long, CEO (Chief Executive Officer), European Business at MTR, said: “We look forward to working together with FirstGroup to introduce this new fleet of trains.”
 
Richard Hunter, UK Managing Director, Bombardier Transportation, said “We are thrilled to have won this important contract.  It demonstrates further confidence placed in this market leading rolling stock, designed and built in Britain.  This order is a fantastic endorsement of our skilled workforce and the quality of the products we design, engineer and manufacture here in the UK.  It will ensure a stable, long-term workload for our staff in Derby. AVENTRA offers enhanced performance and increased passenger capacity, which will play an important part in helping FirstGroup and MTR satisfy continued levels of passenger growth on the South Western network.”
 
Mark Swindell, Chief Executive Officer of Rock Rail said: “Rock Rail are delighted to be funding and leasing these trains which will bring a step change to the travelling experience for so many commuters. Our funders are leading pension and insurance institutions from both the UK and overseas who are directly investing in the UK’s long term economic infrastructure, on a basis that delivers significant cost savings and value for money enhancement for UK operators. We look forward to working closely with FirstGroup and MTR and all our partners to bring these trains into service.”

As FirstMTR have declined to take the new trains that SWT (South West Trains) have ordered for later this year, does this mean that the Windsor and Reading lines will now be getting new trains 18-24 months later than planned? My understanding was that the new SWT trains would be releasing stock for the Wimbledon Suburban lines so they could be extended to 10 carriages. The Waterloo upgrade programme in a few weeks time will finally allow 10 car trains to operate from platforms 1 to 4.
755  All across the Great Western territory / Your rights and redress / Re: Compensation Conundrum on: June 19, 2017, 23:29:50
Alas at Ashtead, it was announced that an earlier SWT (South West Trains) service had failed at Stoneleigh and was blocking the line. My train stopped there for over 20 minutes before continuing to Epsom where it was terminated.

I was on that failed train. It  arrived at Stoneleigh on time and then "lost power". After about 30 mins we were told to get off and take a train back to Epsom and then take a Southern to Victoria. Because of all the trains terminating at Epsom we had to wait another 15 mins or so for a platform to become free. Got into work 90 minutes late.
756  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014 on: June 19, 2017, 22:32:32
................now pushed out till 1100, to add to the joy, none of the ticket machines are working at Paddington......imagine the queues at the ticket offices.

And from my Monday morning email...
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South West Trains Alert Service <noreply@nexusalpha.com>
09:23 (13 hours ago)

to me
Dear Customer,

Following an IT issue from earlier this morning, we are unable to process card payments on some of our ticket machines, including all the ticket machines at London Waterloo.

This fault has been reported and is under investigation. 

If you are travelling on one our trains and not able to purchase a ticket please speak to a member of staff or the Guard on your train for further advice.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you.

Thank you.

South West Trains.
757  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Ticket discounts methods on: June 09, 2017, 21:37:01
Also just to ask ... if you purchase from a gwr station what perks do you get? .... if you buy one from swt you get 6 or 7 free weekend journeys on south west trains (this may change when first take over)

It's 6 vouchers per year on SWT (South West Trains). It entitles you to a days free travel anywhere on the SWT network on Saturdays, Sundays, bank holidays and at certain times on Fridays. It's called Gold Service. I try to do multi destination trips in a day to take advantage of it. For example Wimborne, Blandford and Wareham in one day, Lyndhurst, Brockenhurst, Lymington on another. Travelling between the towns by SWT train or bus.

I'm not likely to use up my tickets by the end of August so I hope First MTR will honour them.
758  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Terrorist attack near London bridge station. on: June 09, 2017, 20:56:01
The steel crash barriers have been installed over London Bridge, both sides.  It the temporary type used in motor way worksites; also the big lozenge shaped bollards have been placed on the pavements.

Whilst all this makes it safe for pedestrians, the crash barriers sits in the road gutter which means busses cannot stay in the bus lane so have to straddle the next lane, slows the traffic down (no bad thing really)

I have not crossed other bridges recently but I am guessing they have had the same treatment. 

I caught buses over Waterloo Bridge today and can confirm that steel crash barriers were also in place, mostly on the cycle paths.
759  All across the Great Western territory / Buses and other ways to travel / Re: Bus Users Manifesto on: June 07, 2017, 21:21:12
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4. Widespread on-board facilities such as audio visual information, phone charging and Wi-Fi
I think this point in the manifesto would financially cripple many council supported services. I've seen all of these on buses before, but not all three at the same time.

I didn't see it in the manifesto, but being able to know in advance how much your bus fare will be would be good. Some operators are better than others online. National Rail, GWR (Great Western Railway) and other TOCs (Train Operating Company) can tell you your train fare and offer to sell it to you, why not Traveline, Google etc with your bus fare?
760  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Heritage railway lines, Railtours, other rail based attractions / Re: Heritage railways and trains keep Britain's golden age of steam alive on: June 04, 2017, 10:22:34
This is one of those "areas of linguistic uncertainty". It's not just locomotives' names - we say "the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)", but not "the ITV". (Except in Scotland (and maybe elsewhere) you will hear "the ITV", and when I lived in Bo'ness a lot of my neighbours worked "at the BP» (Beyond Petroleum (Former name - British Petroleum) - home page)" in Grangemouth.) And the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) now styles itself just "ORR", but on this forum you'll find both - and I don't see either as obviously incorrect.

You'd expect the naming of railway engines to follow the pattern of something familiar when it was first done, and ships' naming is the obvious example. But there we almost always use "the", even when the resulting phrase could never be like that outside a name. For example, "the Queen Mary", "the Grampian", "the Harlech Castle", etc.

Another example would be Uxbridge Road, Oxford Street then "The" Bath Road

761  Journey by Journey / Heart of Wessex / Re: Saturday HST to Weymouth on: June 03, 2017, 20:28:59
Looking at todays photos it would seem there is the potential for this thread to be merged with this other one:
Simon Brown, rail enthusiast, died on Gatwick Express train, 7 Aug 2016
762  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Heritage railway lines, Railtours, other rail based attractions / Re: Newly restored "Flying Scotsman" back in service - ongoing discussion on: June 03, 2017, 20:20:42
Had to change trains at Woking today at about 6.20pm and had a 3 minute connection. Whilst waiting for the Portsmouth train I saw a green steam train coming towards us slowly. I wondered at first if it was Tornado but then read Flying Scotsman on the side. Those around me seemed to be as surprised as I was. Maybe those in the know were at the end of the platforms.

What seemed odd to me was that I couldn't really describe it as a steam train because I saw no white or grey steam. Just the sort of clear steam you'd get from a kettle. Is that normal? Perhaps it was being pushed by the diesel at the rear.
763  Journey by Journey / Transport for London / Re: Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion on: May 31, 2017, 21:15:00
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TfL» (Transport for London - about) has 66 nine-car Class 345s on order. The first 15 will be delivered as seven-car trains initially, before being extended to nine-car sets. There is consideration for extending the deal to 70 trains.

Only 9 carriages? My local line uses 8 (M-F) and once Waterloo works in August are complete will be able to have 10 (FirstMTR plans permitting).
Is 9 carriages a preliminary size with a view to increasing in later years?
764  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014 on: May 24, 2017, 20:23:51
So warm weather is forecast for the end of the week.....I'm tempted by an accumulator....delays due to "poor rail conditions", "damage to overhead equipment" and "more trains than usual needing repairs".......if it's beach weather you could add "shortage of drivers"......odds anyone?  Wink
I think we were already into trouble with toasty turbo interiors on Monday.

What's the air conditioning like on the new trains? Satisfactory?
765  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Heritage railway lines, Railtours, other rail based attractions / Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham on: May 24, 2017, 20:19:07
Will these journeys appear on planners such as National Rail, Traveline, Google Maps etc?
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