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Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Is it time to take the trains back to Southampton Ocean Terminals
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on: November 11, 2019, 12:52:52
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If the liner terminal is to be rail served, then I feel that this needs to be every day and according to a published timetable.
If the service is to run only when the sailing schedules suggest a need, then I foresee all sorts of problems. 1) Cruise ship arrives late, train already left. 2) Cruise ship leaves on a different day, and "the railway" cant cope with this. 3) "the railway" forgets to or is unable to supply trains and crew on the required dates. 4) "no one told us that there was a ship today"
And of course a regular service might be useful for staff employed at or near the dock.
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Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Is it time to take the trains back to Southampton Ocean Terminals
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on: November 10, 2019, 13:30:27
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There have been comments on the forum before about the XC▸ ability, or not, to modify train lengths when cruise ships are in. In general there is not enough luggage space on the existing Voyagers. In summer there is often not enough space for passengers. How would a reconfiguration change the Bournemouth traffic on XC, which appears significant in summer?
I can't find it again, but I saw earlier this year the sigificant pollution/climate change contribution of cruise ships to Southampton and similar ports.
The connection to Eastern Docks is regularly used for car transport trains. Usually when I am in a position to see there is one, if not two, vehicle transporter ships Eastern Docks.
XC services at present are not very suitable for connecting to a liner. It should be possible to obtain something better however, rather than to write off the idea because the PRESENT rolling stock is unsuitable. IETs▸ are the obvious choice, hopefully of the same MECHANICAL specification as the present fleet but with an improved internal fit out. The Voyagers thereby displaced could be most useful for strengthening other services.
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Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Is it time to take the trains back to Southampton Ocean Terminals
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on: November 09, 2019, 21:05:50
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I would also imagine that many passengers will for peace of mind want to arrive the evening before, particularly those coming from anywhere more than an hour or so's rail journey away. After all, if you miss your cruise because of a fatality, broken down freight train, etc, it's pretty disastrous if the next stop on the cruise is New York, where you were due to get off.
Also, it means a more relaxed journey to Southampton, rather than having to get up early, feeling under time pressure and crossing fingers that everything runs to time. And one night's accommodation will be relatively minor in the context of the overall cost of the holiday.
Yes, but. If a significant percentage of ocean liner passengers are arriving by train, then the ship could wait for the train. Alternatively, perhaps passengers could be allowed to board the ship up to 24 hours before it sails, to allow a margin for railway problems.
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Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Is it time to take the trains back to Southampton Ocean Terminals
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on: November 09, 2019, 14:59:02
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With growing concerns regarding the environmental costs of air and road transport, I am strongly in favour of new or re-instated rail links to seaports.
Rail is greener than road or air. Cruise ships are not particularly green, but this might not tell the whole story. A 2 week cruise can be a most enjoyable holiday, and the fuel used should IMHO▸ be compared with that used by a hotel AND that used by an airliner.
Fuel used by liner from UK▸ to USA is more than that used by a jumbo jet. But fuel used by the liner probably compares favourably to that used by a hotel for the same duration, AND that used by an aircraft.
I agree that voyagers are not very suitable for ocean liner customers, but that is NOT a reason to oppose rail serving the ocean terminals. By the time it is achieved, voyagers might well be replaced or supplemented by something more suitable. IETs▸ but with a "broadgage approved" internal fit out might be suited.
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Journey by Journey / Transport for London / Re: Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion
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on: November 08, 2019, 16:53:59
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My cynical mind naturally assumes that no Crossrail trains will run Westwards from Paddington until 2021 or later. Apart from the points already made re needing the Crossrail platforms for test running, it seems a reasonable assumption that if running west of Paddington WAS planned, that this would have been announced with much fanfare.
"Despite this slight delay to operation through the central core, we are very pleased to announce that our new state of the art trains WILL be operating a very frequent service between Paddington and Reading from xx-yy"
The absence of any such announcement means it (almost certainly) wont happen.
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All across the Great Western territory / Meet the Manager / Re: Bus/Train integration (Qn.4 5/11/2019)
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on: November 06, 2019, 23:32:18
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Don't forget Taunton station is currently being rebuilt back to front, so the down side will become the main entrance and the 28 will depart from the forecourt again.
I know, but meanwhile; no exit from the down side. Long detour required via lift and subway to the up side in order to then return via the main road, to find that the bus has left. If this closure is unavoidable, then clear signage is needed, and a clearly defined new stopping point for the bus, together with checks to see if the bus does actually go to the new bus stop. Some of the buses to Minehead seem to stop in the main road "outside the snooker club that was knocked down a few years ago" others stop by the now locked down side exit, and others leave from the up side.
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