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« on: April 20, 2012, 02:56:31 PM »

From the Wiltshire Gazette & Herald:

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English Heritage is seeking views on the historic and architectural significance of a number of historic railway buildings, bridges and tunnels along the 116 miles of track of the Great Western main line, which runs from London’s Paddington Station to Bristol’s Temple Meads.

The pioneering Great Western route was built 176 years ago by the eminent engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel, to open up new trade routes between London and Bristol.

Network Rail’s 10-year improvement plan, which is due to be completed by 2017, includes electrifying part of the historic line.

In response to this major project, English Heritage, with the support from Network Rail, is consulting on the histories and descriptions of 50 buildings and structures which have been identified, as deserving closer attention.

These include bridges and other structures in or around Maidenhead, Reading, Oxford, Newbury, Bath and Bristol.

The consultation, which runs from now until May 9, will help confirm the part these played in the development of the line and provide evidence of their significance.

Following the consultation, English Heritage will recommend to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport which should be designated.

Network Rail has been carrying out a comprehensive survey of the parts of the Great Western main line that will be modernised.

A gazetteer of all the structures along the route has been produced by their consultants, Alan Baxter and Associates, as well as a detailed Statement of History and Significance.

Read together, the documents provide a detailed history of the development of the line as well as identifying significant structures.

Local authorities, the Victorian Society, amenity groups such as the Railway Heritage Trust, Steam Museum and National Railway Museum are some of the bodies being consulted as well as railway enthusiasts and the general public.

Emily Gee, Head of Designation at English Heritage, said: "While the whole Great Western Railway is historically remarkable, statutory listing is warranted for its buildings of special architectural or historic interest.

"After carefully examining the documentary evidence and the structures themselves, it is likely that certain further bridges and other railway buildings will merit listing, and others might be upgraded to better reflect their importance.

"English Heritage is working closely with Network Rail and their professional advisers – and now the public – to fully understand and protect the most special aspects of this significant Victorian railway achievement, to help prepare it for its next exciting phase."

Patrick Hallgate, Route Managing Director for Network Rail Western, said: "The Great Western Railway is undergoing the biggest investment since it was built by Brunel to deliver faster, greener, more reliable services with additional seats for passengers.

"Electrification will improve links between towns and cities and, critically, help stimulate economic growth across the region. "We recognise the historical and heritage significance of this railway, which is why we’re working closely with English Heritage now to make sure that any sensitive structures are safeguarded ahead of construction."

The consultation is on-line at www.english-heritage.org.uk/gwml-consultation
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 06:23:58 PM »

Maidenhead station  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 06:29:56 AM »

Surely you mean Maidenhead Bridge!

Taplow station has more architectural merit than Maidenhead apart from the roof over platform 5 at Maidenhead.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2012, 05:20:44 PM »

Passenger Footbridge, Chippenham station....
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2012, 05:41:41 PM »

As usual 'historic and architectural significance' doesn't necessarily mean pretty!
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2012, 06:04:18 PM »

Surely you mean Maidenhead Bridge!

Taplow station has more architectural merit than Maidenhead apart from the roof over platform 5 at Maidenhead.

All 3 are shown on the map, it will be the train shed at Maidenhead unique I think possible even built a "transfer shed" when the GW mainline went narrow and the High Wycombe mainline stayed at the correct guage as Brunel intended all railways should be  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 06:01:13 PM »

From the Wiltshire Gazette & Herald:

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English Heritage is seeking views on the historic and architectural significance of a number of historic railway buildings, bridges and tunnels along the 116 miles of track of the Great Western main line, which runs from London’s Paddington Station to Bristol’s Temple Meads.

The pioneering Great Western route was built 176 years ago by the eminent engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel, to open up new trade routes between London and Bristol.

Network Rail’s 10-year improvement plan, which is due to be completed by 2017, includes electrifying part of the historic line.

In response to this major project, English Heritage, with the support from Network Rail, is consulting on the histories and descriptions of 50 buildings and structures which have been identified, as deserving closer attention.

These include bridges and other structures in or around Maidenhead, Reading, Oxford, Newbury, Bath and Bristol.

The consultation, which runs from now until May 9, will help confirm the part these played in the development of the line and provide evidence of their significance.

Following the consultation, English Heritage will recommend to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport which should be designated.

Network Rail has been carrying out a comprehensive survey of the parts of the Great Western main line that will be modernised.

A gazetteer of all the structures along the route has been produced by their consultants, Alan Baxter and Associates, as well as a detailed Statement of History and Significance.

Read together, the documents provide a detailed history of the development of the line as well as identifying significant structures.

Local authorities, the Victorian Society, amenity groups such as the Railway Heritage Trust, Steam Museum and National Railway Museum are some of the bodies being consulted as well as railway enthusiasts and the general public.

Emily Gee, Head of Designation at English Heritage, said: "While the whole Great Western Railway is historically remarkable, statutory listing is warranted for its buildings of special architectural or historic interest.

"After carefully examining the documentary evidence and the structures themselves, it is likely that certain further bridges and other railway buildings will merit listing, and others might be upgraded to better reflect their importance.

"English Heritage is working closely with Network Rail and their professional advisers – and now the public – to fully understand and protect the most special aspects of this significant Victorian railway achievement, to help prepare it for its next exciting phase."

Patrick Hallgate, Route Managing Director for Network Rail Western, said: "The Great Western Railway is undergoing the biggest investment since it was built by Brunel to deliver faster, greener, more reliable services with additional seats for passengers.

"Electrification will improve links between towns and cities and, critically, help stimulate economic growth across the region. "We recognise the historical and heritage significance of this railway, which is why we’re working closely with English Heritage now to make sure that any sensitive structures are safeguarded ahead of construction."

The consultation is on-line at www.english-heritage.org.uk/gwml-consultation

Didn't take long for English Heritage to start poking their oar in. Just as I said they would. No doubt this will add further costs and delays to getting the wires up from Stockley Bridge to Bristol via Bath. Are we running a transport system here or a bloody museum? If its the latter they'd better give the HST sets another heavy overhaul + MTU R43 retrofit then.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 12:18:50 AM »

From the BBC:

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Plans are being drawn up to preserve historic parts of the Great Western main line.

English Heritage is teaming up with National Rail while it modernises the track to protect old structures and buildings along the line.

The 116-mile (187km) line was built 176 years ago by Isambard Kingdom Brunel to open up trade routes.

It runs from London through Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Somerset and Gloucestershire to Bristol.

Network Rail is spending £350m on expanding and electrifying part of the Great Western main line over the next five years.

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At the same time English Heritage is drawing up a list of bridges, tunnels, viaducts and other buildings along the line which it thinks are of particular importance and need protecting.

It has identified 50 buildings and structures as deserving closer attention and is now consulting the public to see which Victorian structures they love most.

People have until 9 May to make their comments.

Emily Gee, head of designation at English Heritage, said: "While the whole Great Western railway is historically remarkable, statutory listing is warranted for its buildings of special architectural or historic interest.

"After carefully examining the documentary evidence and the structures themselves, it is likely that certain further bridges and other railway buildings will merit listing, and others might be upgraded to better reflect their importance.

"English Heritage is working closely with Network Rail and their professional advisers - and now the public - to fully understand and protect the most special aspects of this significant Victorian railway achievement, to help prepare it for its next exciting phase."
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 06:23:25 PM »

No doubt the NO WIRES across Maidenhead Bridge will be out in force.

My answer is how dare they insult Isambard Kingdom Brunel who would have had 25kv wires over that bridge if the technology had been available then we'rd have had 200 mph + broad  trains now.

And also what an engineer to produce a bridge like that designed for 60 mph 100 ton trains to take 125 mph HSTs and 3000 tonne stone trains and now electric trains.

Sydney Gardens is probaly more of problem as the ELFs will insist on it being fenced as the British public is too stupid to realise 25Kv overhed wires can kill if you are sillyenough to touch them.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 07:04:03 PM »

No doubt the NO WIRES across Maidenhead Bridge will be out in force.

My answer is how dare they insult Isambard Kingdom Brunel who would have had 25kv wires over that bridge if the technology had been available then we'rd have had 200 mph + broad  trains now.

Well if they are that worried about OHLE on Maidenhead Bridge you could always terminate Crossrail at Slough and make the silly buggers walk or catch a stopping 165 unit to Slough.

Sydney Gardens is probaly more of problem as the ELFs will insist on it being fenced as the British public is too stupid to realise 25Kv overhed wires can kill if you are sillyenough to touch them.
The whole section from Thingley Jn to Bristol TM is to all intents and purposes largley orignal with most of the Brunel 'Gloomy Gothic' overbridges and structures still in place. You can imagine English Heritage having an absolute field day with that little lot in terms of trying to prevent the Catenary being put up. Hence my comment about whether we are running a transport system here or a museum.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 07:31:18 PM »

English Heritage will, I hope, not stand in the way of electrification of the GWML. It's more likely that a vocal minority of NiMBYs will take to the press, airwaves and internet to decry wires over Maidenhead Railway Bridge, through Box Tunnel and through Sidney Gardens.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2012, 07:32:13 PM »

Hence my comment about whether we are running a transport system here or a museum.

My personal opinion: I agree with that view.  I enjoyed a detailed and erudite discussion on the whole subject with bignosemac earlier today, and that remains my stance.  Chris.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 07:45:39 PM »

English Heritage will, I hope, not stand in the way of electrification of the GWML. It's more likely that a vocal minority of NiMBYs will take to the press, airwaves and internet to decry wires over Maidenhead Railway Bridge, through Box Tunnel and through Sidney Gardens.
I think there was some seperate proposal to fence off part of Sydney Gardens as it seems the low ornate wall which deliniated the boundary is no longer deemed fit for purpose. No doubt this will be done once the catenary starts to appear.

There was simalar outcry when BR proposed erecting OHLE across the Border Bridge at Berwick on Tweed, however this as we all know happened albeit with a modified form of catenary support structure. I seem to remember there was some half assed proposal that trains should drop their pans and coast across that bridge. I'm not sure where that gormless proposal eminated from but I don't think it was attributable to English Heritage.
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 07:58:19 AM »

English Heritage are will not stand in the way of the GW electrification because NR have been with consulting them to develop solutions.  Sydney Gardens do pose a few issue I know the GW electrification team have a workable solution agree with English Heritage and the local authority.

NR and English Heritage have a good working relationship look at Kings Cross the 4th arch at Paddington etc.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 09:08:12 PM »

I think there was some seperate proposal to fence off part of Sydney Gardens as it seems the low ornate wall which deliniated the boundary is no longer deemed fit for purpose. No doubt this will be done once the catenary starts to appear.

Indeed: we had a previous discussion on that subject, here on the forum, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=4240.msg36143#msg36143  Smiley
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