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« Reply #315 on: June 28, 2017, 04:57:40 PM »

In respect of roueting Portishead workings into those platforms this would involve many more conflicting movements and reduce capacity, particularly if the services are linked with the Avonmouth line which would then involve crossing all lines through Bristol East Jn to get back into the right side for the branch. At a busy station like Temple Meads it's impossible to provide convenient cross platform opportunities for all passenger flows, and whose to say that Portishead to Bath and beyond will be a more significant flow than say to Filton Abbey Wood. (London and Reading passengers are just as likely to use the new fast services via Parkway anyway.)

The favourite plan is to have trains from Portishead to Severn Beach and Portishead to Bath or possibly Westbury. P3 would be favourite for the first, maybe P4 for the return trip, maybe P9 for the Bath service.

I think the idea of reconnecting the down side of P13 is sensible. Even if it isn't used a great deal, it still gives an option if the need arises.
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« Reply #316 on: October 06, 2017, 02:56:00 PM »

Happened upon these computer visualisations which show how the Old Station might look in some imagined future where the whole project doesn't get canned and Temple Meads isn't allowed to gently settle into the swamp on which it stands... we can dream!
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« Reply #317 on: October 07, 2017, 10:18:10 PM »

Happened upon these computer visualisations which show how the Old Station might look in some imagined future where the whole project doesn't get canned and Temple Meads isn't allowed to gently settle into the swamp on which it stands... we can dream!
My first impression: YUCK. Save our money for keeping the place from sinking (if indeed it's at risk of that) and putting in the extra platforms (in the old train shed) rather than spending on modern architecture for a station that looks very nice as it is thank you.

On closer inspection, the old train shed roof remains but is that in full or only in part? Is the modern roof section (in the foreground of the first pic) replacing anything or is there nothing there right now? If there's no demolition involved for that new roof, it isn't too bad I suppose but that weird blunt-triangular-prisim structure inside the old train shed looks very out of place.
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« Reply #318 on: October 07, 2017, 10:35:52 PM »

On closer inspection, the old train shed roof remains but is that in full or only in part? Is the modern roof section (in the foreground of the first pic) replacing anything or is there nothing there right now? If there's no demolition involved for that new roof, it isn't too bad I suppose but that weird blunt-triangular-prisim structure inside the old train shed looks very out of place.

The new bit is to cover the bit where there is nothing now. 

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I think it is supposed to be clear that it is not old and not to touch the listed historic structure.  Probably insisted on by Historic England. 
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« Reply #319 on: October 08, 2017, 12:24:46 AM »


The new bit is to cover the bit where there is nothing now. 
 

To expand on this, eight bays (if I've counted correctly) of the roof of the Digby-Wyatt extension to Brunel's train shed were demolished in the 1970's to accommodate the current signal box. Personally I think it would be appropriate to restore these bays as they were, because the original roof complemented the main 'express curve' train shed; this image shows how it was.


gently settle into the swamp on which it stands...


I don't think there is any particular problem with subsidence; I was alluding to the fact that Temple Meads is in a pretty shocking state at the moment and that if current levels of investment continue then it will eventually fall down.
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« Reply #320 on: October 08, 2017, 08:36:28 AM »

At a guess those visualisations were done early on in the electrification project when it was planned that London trains would go into the old station (avoiding electrification of the curvy bit). Of course that required that resignalling would be complete so that the signal box could be removed and, ahem.

NR *are* currently doing quite a lot of work behind the scenes on the station, but you are right that there's certainly no sign of the comprehensive overhaul it requires if it's going to be fit for purpose for the next 100 years. A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council. I wouldn't hold my breath though. 
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« Reply #321 on: October 08, 2017, 09:02:29 AM »

At a guess those visualisations were done early on in the electrification project when it was planned that London trains would go into the old station (avoiding electrification of the curvy bit). Of course that required that resignalling would be complete so that the signal box could be removed and, ahem.

Platforms at Bristol always seem a bit mysterious to me ... at times it feels there's plenty of capacity with "next train"s being hours away, the all of a sudden you get two at the same time:



What are the platform allocation plans for the future?  Will the station cope with four tracks worth of services flooding in from the north? Where will the London trains coming down Filton Bank terminate with a signal box in the way?  Brief call at Temple Meads followed by a reversal at the extra platform at Bedminster?
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« Reply #322 on: October 08, 2017, 09:08:20 AM »

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That's a practice that will occur when the class 800s start
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P05043/2017/11/13/advanced
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« Reply #323 on: October 08, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »

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That's a practice that will occur when the class 800s start
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P05043/2017/11/13/advanced

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« Reply #324 on: October 08, 2017, 09:51:51 AM »


A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council...


University of Bristol are being either vague or tight-lipped about access from their new campus into Temple Meads via the underpass. The initial round of consultation for the Cattle Market site suggested that such access was possible, but showed the buildings orientated in a way that pretty much ignored it...

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« Reply #325 on: October 08, 2017, 05:08:27 PM »

I don't like the "prism with rounded corners" much either. The roof's alright but I wonder about ventilation, especially now we're going to have diesel trains until the end of time, as it looks rather lower than the old roof.
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« Reply #326 on: October 08, 2017, 10:49:14 PM »

A charitable explanation would be that NR are working on a plan behind the scenes with the University (who are redeveloping the old Royal Mail building) and Bristol City Council. I wouldn't hold my breath though. 

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