Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
No recent travel & transport from BBC stories as at 23:15 28 Apr 2024
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 22/05/24 - WWRUG / TransWilts update
02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber
27/09/25 - 200 years of passenger trains

On this day
28th Apr (1996)
GNER franchise (Sea Containers) starts on ECML (*)

Train RunningDelayed
19:38 London Paddington to Swansea
19:53 London Paddington to Plymouth
20:44 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill
21:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
22:10 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads
23:03 Reading to Gatwick Airport
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
April 28, 2024, 23:20:23 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[138] Clan Line - by Clan Line !
[118] Visiting the pub on the way home.
[44] South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
[42] access for all at Devon stations report
[27] Labour to nationalise railways within five years of coming to ...
[22] Misleading advertising?
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: 1 [2]
  Print  
Author Topic: New French trains too wide for 1300 platforms  (Read 7640 times)
stuving
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7172


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 09:45:46 »

Apparently, there was a similar "out of gauge order" story in Montreal last month - see ctvnews. Or at least some French commentators like to think it was similar.
Logged
TonyK
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6438


The artist formerly known as Four Track, Now!


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 16:39:05 »

Some good points there stuving. Not checking properly arguably led to the loss of the first Arianne 5, through a mismatch of computer programmes developed for Arianne 4. And a certain well-known ship, built by a certain well-known engineer, was stuck in Bristol's harbour for more than a year after launch because it wouldn't fit through the locks. The locks were supposed to have been widened, but weren't. The ship was built wider than it should have been, and fitting the engines before it was towed out, giving it a deeper draught than was originally intended.

S^gol^ne Royal's principal concern in this fiasco will be S^gol^ne Royal.
Logged

Now, please!
stuving
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7172


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 10:06:34 »

This isn't really on the same topic, but most French reporters think it is.

RATP are going to replace 30 escalators (along Metro lines 14, 6, and 13) that are less than 10 years old, at a cost of ^6M minimum. They are suing the makers (CNIM), citing design faults which have led very high levels of failure, maintenance, and their being out of service.

The thing that the press have been having fun with (e.g. Le Figaro) is that they are "too wide". They were procured as having treads 1 m wide, instead of the customary 0.9 m, but I am sure the tracks were built to this width too. I can only imagine (as no-one has bothered to report on it) that squeezing the running gear into the narrower space involved some design compromises that just didn't come off.

RATP have explained the wider treads were meant to increase throughput. Really? How? I can't see how you can get more people side by side. It makes more sense to me it was to cope with luggage on wheels which, even if not so big as to be dangerous (and justify "please use the lift" signs) does get in the way.

RATP has already sued CNIM (and won, at least partly) over a moving walkway at Montparnasse, installed in 2002 and which never worked. That might explain why I found it such a long walk - if you think some of the treks in London are long, try Montparnasse to Montparnasse-Bienven^e Metro.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2014, 10:55:58 by stuving » Logged
trainer
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1035


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2014, 22:02:10 »

It's good to know that they're taking steps to deal with the problem.
Logged
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5219


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2014, 12:14:59 »

It's good to know that they're taking steps to deal with the problem.

indeed. It's always a good idea to escalate problems like this.
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
TonyK
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6438


The artist formerly known as Four Track, Now!


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2014, 16:32:35 »

It was stairing me in the face...
Logged

Now, please!
Chris from Nailsea
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 17895


I am not railway staff


View Profile Email
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2014, 22:07:51 »

It's certainly a step in the right direction, but they'll to take it one step at a time.  Lips sealed
Logged

William Huskisson MP (Member of Parliament) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.

"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner."  Discuss.
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: 1 [2]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page