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[Conner]

I also like voyagers.
The only problem is the smell.
I can cope with no tables. I actually prefer it as there are more seats overall.
They do need more carriges to, I think, make them all 7 carriages. No difference between Super/Voyager as that cause problems.
The refurbed HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s are still better though.
And I like the noise they make but nothing compared to a Valenta.

[Timmer]

I also like voyagers.
The only problem is the smell.
I can cope with no tables. I actually prefer it as there are more seats overall.
They do need more carriges to, I think, make them all 7 carriages. No difference between Super/Voyager as that cause problems.
The refurbed HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s are still better though.

You know one thing Arriva XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) could do with spending some money on and thats fixing the smelley toilets on the Voyagers. That would be a great place to start. There must be something that can be done

[dog box]

The smelly toilets is something to do with the effluent being retained and not slung out like on an HST^▸ (High Speed Train), tHE 175/180S smell exactly the same, .sorry voyagers are still crap, uncomfortable seats,horrible cream interior and the most annoying continual clunking noises all the time as well as the smelly loos.
In my opinion the best NEW Type unt is the 170 by a country mile,

[smokey]

I also like voyagers.
The only problem is the smell.
I can cope with no tables. I actually prefer it as there are more seats overall.
They do need more carriges to, I think, make them all 7 carriages. No difference between Super/Voyager as that cause problems.
The refurbed HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s are still better though.

You know one thing Arriva XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) could do with spending some money on and thats fixing the smelley toilets on the Voyagers. That would be a great place to start. There must be something that can be done

The smelly toilets is something to do with the effluent being retained and not slung out like on an HST, tHE 175/180S smell exactly the same, .sorry voyagers are still crap, uncomfortable seats,horrible cream interior and the most annoying continual clunking noises all the time as well as the smelly loos.
In my opinion the best NEW Type unt is the 170 by a country mile,

Other trains with Retention tanks don't have smelly toilets, such as The East Coast MK^▸ (Milton Keynes) IVs, the SWT^▸ (South West Trains) class 159s, the FGW^▸ (First Great Western) Sleeper cars.

As I'm led to believe the problem with Voyager toilets is something not nice, the toilet works by Vacuum, and to withstand the pressure (OK lack of Pressure, it's a Vacuum) the waste pipes are corrugated to add strength, the Bends ARE NOT, and so the bends are sealed with Silicon, which is leaking and effluent is leaking down the outside of the pipes and getting trapped in the flooring.
IT'S No Wonder they HUM.

[devon_metro]

The air-con intake is also situated near to the retention tanks.

[vacman]

The smelly toilets is something to do with the effluent being retained and not slung out like on an HST^▸ (High Speed Train), tHE 175/180S smell exactly the same, .sorry voyagers are still crap, uncomfortable seats,horrible cream interior and the most annoying continual clunking noises all the time as well as the smelly loos.
In my opinion the best NEW Type unt is the 170 by a country mile,

Not to mention all the stupid beeping noises and that annoying noise they make when braking! 170's are by far the best modern units.

[devon_metro]

The brakes on 220s are the most interesting think on them

I wonder if having all the reading lights on reduces the power from the engines?

[smokey]

The brakes on 220s are the most interesting think on them

I wonder if having all the reading lights on reduces the power from the engines?

What regenerative brakes, that's almost a breach of description, sure is a waste to loose all that Heat (Energy) from the roof load banks.

Having a Reading light ON will not effect the power from the Engine, but it will reduce traction power by the amount the reading light uses.
Some HST^▸ (High Speed Train) drivers turn off the ETS^▸ (Electric Train Supply) (Electric Train Supply) when climbing banks, most likely when running on 1 power car only.
PS it's the Roof load bank brakes that caused all the problems at Dawlish with Sea Water.

[devon_metro]

What?

You don't just turn off the electical supply. Besides, the rear power car provides ETS^▸ (Electric Train Supply) so unless the driver physcially stops, walks to the back of the train, turns it off, back to the front etc

Public trains will always have the ETS on!

[smokey]

What?

You don't just turn off the electical supply. Besides, the rear power car provides ETS^▸ (Electric Train Supply) so unless the driver physcially stops, walks to the back of the train, turns it off, back to the front etc

Public trains will always have the ETS on!

My Error it was a trick to get a bit more Speed out of Loco Hauled trains, however I have know HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) on ONE power car to have NO ETS from Newton Abbot to Plymouth.

[vacman]

What?

You don't just turn off the electical supply. Besides, the rear power car provides ETS^▸ (Electric Train Supply) so unless the driver physcially stops, walks to the back of the train, turns it off, back to the front etc

Public trains will always have the ETS on!

My Error it was a trick to get a bit more Speed out of Loco Hauled trains, however I have know HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) on ONE power car to have NO ETS from Newton Abbot to Plymouth.

On an HST the buffet boilers work of the ETS.

[devon_metro]

And the aircon. Hence why the fans 'whiiir' when revving up.

[mada]

To be fair First's refurbished 158's look almost identical to SWT^▸ (South West Trains)'s refurbished 159's bar the extra carriage and different colour schemes.

[devon_metro]

They were both refurbd at Wabtec uuup North

[Jim]

Doncaster