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« Reply #2325 on: December 21, 2017, 10:43:49 » |
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Just passed it on the way into London.
Looks like in an attempt to move it they have connected a third IET▸ to it. (There were 3x5 sets all connected - certainly an unusual sight!)
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« Reply #2326 on: December 21, 2017, 11:23:06 » |
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Looks like there a drag on the horizon.
A 0Z99 is shown on open train times at the west end of Brenford sidings at Southall.
A 1Z99 is now proceeding on the down main towards the disabled 1B05 There is now a 5B05 which appears to be a prospective working UP the Main Down to either Brentford sidings or back towards Paddington. |
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« Reply #2327 on: December 21, 2017, 18:13:21 » |
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It had an ADD▸ (Automatic Dropping Device) activation, which is a pantograph safety feature and could mean problems with the train or overhead wires - hence the need for the inspection. Worryingly it was then unable to proceed on diesel power for some reason, which should be one of the great advantages of these new trains. As I’ve said before though, brand new trains with brand new technology will take a while to settle down and overall reliability is probably a little better than I was personally expecting. Hitachi bods will no doubt do a thorough investigation.
Given the time it took to rescue it and there are no reports of wire damage, I suspect the trains on-board confuser got errrrrrrrrrr confused dropped the pan which will give a ADD and if the confuser was in a really bad mood may have locked out all traction power, if I recall correctly the power pack (inverter) is powered by either the OLE▸ or the diesel generator Hitachi seem to be having a nightmare with these trains compared to their older siblings the 395's which have performed very well over the last 10 years, although they don't have a diesel engine |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #2328 on: December 21, 2017, 18:44:45 » |
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Another one has just broken down at Slough - a Turbo which is now blocking platform 4.
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« Reply #2329 on: December 21, 2017, 19:35:41 » |
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How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT▸ .
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« Reply #2330 on: December 21, 2017, 19:55:07 » |
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Another one has just broken down at Slough - a Turbo which is now blocking platform 4.
Not broken down. Someone defecated in the passenger saloon of the train. It was taken out of service at Slough for cleaning. (17:46 Paddington to Reading) |
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« Reply #2331 on: December 21, 2017, 20:49:39 » |
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How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT▸ .
Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working. Also...... Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR▸ an awful lot of money. |
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« Reply #2332 on: December 21, 2017, 21:03:27 » |
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Surely going to cost Hitachi a lot of money?
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« Reply #2333 on: December 21, 2017, 21:04:27 » |
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Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.
Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it. Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR▸ an awful lot of money. Surely that cost falls to Hitachi? |
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« Reply #2334 on: December 21, 2017, 21:29:24 » |
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Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.
Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it. Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR▸ an awful lot of money. Surely that cost falls to Hitachi? I wondered that. And if it is GWR, it wasn't one TOC▸ on another. Where one TOC delays another, they pay each other. Where they delay themselves, do they pay themselves, or is the author looking at the cost of repaying passengers and providing buses, taxis and overnight accommodation where required. And if a Hitachi train - leased and serviced to provide a certain level of availability - falls over due to a train fault, is the money that comes back from GWR or Hitachi? Perhaps GWR might make money out of it if Hitachi have to pay them, but they only pay customers on each customer's claim? |
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« Reply #2335 on: December 21, 2017, 21:42:37 » |
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Elsewhere it was reported it took 6 hours in total to clear the Down Main Line for normal working.
Correct. They even attached a 57 and they still couldn’t shift it. Delays currently north of 7,500 minutes with almost 150 trains cancelled either in full, part or failed to stop. That's going to cost GWR▸ an awful lot of money. Surely that cost falls to Hitachi? I wondered that. And if it is GWR, it wasn't one TOC▸ on another. Where one TOC delays another, they pay each other. Where they delay themselves, do they pay themselves, or is the author looking at the cost of repaying passengers and providing buses, taxis and overnight accommodation where required. And if a Hitachi train - leased and serviced to provide a certain level of availability - falls over due to a train fault, is the money that comes back from GWR or Hitachi? Perhaps GWR might make money out of it if Hitachi have to pay them, but they only pay customers on each customer's claim?Don't forget Heathrow Express. When I looked mid-way through the disruption their delays were racking up..... |
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« Reply #2336 on: December 21, 2017, 21:50:31 » |
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How long did it take to rescue it in the end, I had to go out so couldn't follow progress of the rescue on OTT▸ .
I did wonder if the 0Z99 sat in the Brentford sidings was a 57 and then saw a 1Z99 appear on the Down Main and draw up to one signal away from 1B05 after the word SHUT had been removed from the same signal 'dock'. Then 5B03 appeared in the signal 'dock' as if to run back into Brentford sidings or by using a trailing crossover back towards Paddomgton. All on OTT. |
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« Reply #2337 on: December 21, 2017, 21:53:15 » |
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Just for info, and not intended to be critical, the 'DOCK' is actually a Train Describer 'BERTH'.
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« Reply #2338 on: December 21, 2017, 21:58:34 » |
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This interesting snippet was posted by somebody 'in the know' on the WNXX▸ Forum: Oh to be a fly on the wall at 0900 Friday in M Hopwood's office eh? That meeting has already taken place. There was a face to face on Wednesday afternoon between Hitachi seniors and GWR▸ seniors where it was made plain that the current situation wasn’t acceptable. As they were meeting there was another failure. The failures, the continued inability to couple in service (with no solution having yet been sorted) the running with engines out, the short forms on key trains and the over optimal tuning of the 700kw output leading to pp performance on the road all got aired, apparently.
The DfT» are also not too amused that they have paid for all the unmuzzling and GWR have been telling them for weeks that the performance seems to be worse than the 700kw test runs. A formal letter asking for an explanation of what they have actually done to the engines over the whole speed range is now rumoured to have been sent.
After this mornings incident a very senior man at FG who has an american accent has got involved and he isn’t bothering with the likes of the people who GWR met yesterday. After his personal experience of the first day and what has happened since, he is reported to be seriously hacked off.
NR» , as yet, have not complained to GWR that these units are not performing as promised but if there are too many more incidents or delays, even considering they are not in the strongest moral position on matters Western, they might start to put real pressure on GWR to “resolve or remove”.
When the units talk to each other and are set up right, they are fine pieces of kit. But currently they are starting to behave like class 50’s on a very bad day and for the money you and I, as taxpayers, have forked out for all this, that isn’t remotely good enough. |
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« Reply #2339 on: December 21, 2017, 22:05:34 » |
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I watched events on OTT▸ .
The failed unit(s) eventually moved to North Pole from Southall TC‡ at 21:15 as 5Z06. There was an earlier movement 5Z05 at 19:30.
Yet again the Heathrow Connect was cancelled. It will be interesting in the future when the Elizabeth Line commences, will their services be cancelled. Will they also claim that the Relief Lines belong to them and the other services can keep off.
What is also never mentioned is that not only does EL take over Heathrow Connect, but it also takes over the role of the inter terminal shuttle between T2/3 and T4, which is part of Heathrow Express. When problems occur, it will be interesting what happens if an EL class 345 unit cannot reach the airport to act as a shuttle.
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