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« on: November 05, 2014, 20:09:56 »

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FirstGroup: We won't be forced into any 'desperate' rail bids

Transport company dispells any suggestion it will have to raise more cash if it fails to win the East Coast Main Line rail bidding competition


Tim O'Toole, FirstGroup's chief executive, has faced a tumultuous time since the company's ^615m deeply discounted rights issue last year

FirstGroup's chief executive, Tim O^Toole, has insisted the transport company won^t be forced into making any ^desperate^ bids for UK (United Kingdom) rail contracts, despite coming away empty-handed from four franchise competitions so far this year.

All eyes are on the bidding competition for the prestigious East Coast Main Line, the winner of which is due to be announced by the Department for Transport this month.

Some analysts have suggested FirstGroup^s balance sheet will be put under ^further stress^ if it fails to win the contract to operate London-to-Scotland East Coast services, having already lost out on so many rail bids this year.

FirstGroup was passed over for a new contract to run ScotRail services north of the Border which was awarded to Abellio, the UK arm of the Dutch state railway.

It also lost out to Go-Ahead Group and Keolis in the battle for the giant ^Thameslink Southern Great Northern^ commuter franchise in London and the South of England, while it will no longer run Caledonian Sleeper services from April.

FirstGroup had also been short-listed in the competition for the Essex Thameside franchise but National Express has retained control of the services between London and the Essex Coast.

Mr O^Toole, who led FirstGroup^s ^615m rights issue last year, insisted that the transport heavyweight would not have to raise additional cash, even if it is unsuccessful in the East Coast franchise competition.

FirstGroup is not going to depart from a ^disciplined approach^ to rail bids, he argued. ^That^s always the concern isn^t it? That we will get desperate and put in some uneconomic bid just so we can say: 'Oh, well, look we won one.^ I^m saying, look, we are in the business of restoring shareholder values so we can^t go there.^

FirstGroup was accused in 2012 of putting in a bid for the West Coast Main Line franchise that would have resulted in ^almost certain bankruptcy^ when it was named the preferred bidder for the contract over Sir Richard Branson^s Virgin Trains - an accusation Mr O^Toole has always flatly denied. The West Coast competition was subsequently scrapped in the face of a legal challenge by Virgin.

Despite reassuring over FirstGroup^s disciplined approach to rail bids, Mr O^Toole appeared to question his rivals^ approach to franchise competitions, saying the contracts awarded so far this year were at ^economic levels that were unacceptable to us^.

FirstGroup, which last year suspended its dividend and has been under pressure from activist investor Sandell Asset Management, insisted that its turnaround plan is ^on track^ as it posted a 10.9pc fall in first-half revenues to ^2.9bn.

The bus and rail operator, which is seeking to turnaround its UK bus and American yellow school bus units, blamed one-off factors for the slide, such as the end of revenue support for its First Great Western and First Capital Connect rail franchises.

The group also said revenues from a year earlier included income from several UK bus operations that have since been sold or closed. Excluding these factors, it said revenue increased by 3.9pc. Pre-tax profit rose to ^9.9m in the six months to September 30 from an ^8m loss at the same point a year ago.

In a nod to Sandell, which has been pushing for a strategy change, FirstGroup^s outgoing chairman John McFarlane said the company^s board had reviewed strategic alternatives ^but nothing compelling has become evident^.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2014, 21:30:39 »

The rumours and talking up coming from the city and one or two market analysts is that the Stagecoach (90%)/Virgin (10%) bid is the front runner for the Inter City East Coast franchise. Announcement on the winner is expected on or around the 19th November.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/marketforceslive/2014/oct/29/stagecoach-slips-despite-positive-update-ahead-of-east-coast-decision

The early rumours/talking up that circulated in the business press prior to the awards of the Thameslink, Southern & Great Northern and the Essex Thameside franchises prove to be correct.

As an aside the domain virgineastcoast.co.uk was registered by Stagecoach on 23rd October... but then, firsteastcoast.co.uk was also updated on 24th September...
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 17:00:02 »

Announcement on the ICEC franchise is still pending. This weeks rumours are that Eurostar/Keolis are now the front runners.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/eurostar-and-keolis-favoured-to-win-east-coast-franchise

After this rumour surfaced in the weekend national press both Stagecoach and First Group's share price took a tumble when markets opened Monday morning.

Maybe if another week passes before an announcement from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about), First Group will be rumoured as front runners.  Tongue

Having failed to win any franchises since the process was restarted I bet First Group are glad the DfT decided to postpone the Greater Western franchise competition, despite First Group exercising the contract break clause in 2011. They've managed to keep operating Greater Western, and at much more favourable financial terms under a management contract as opposed to the premium payments required had they they taken the 3 year extension. Good news for First Group's shareholders. Bad news for taxpayers.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 17:05:47 »

Blame the Government at the time that gave FGW (First Great Western) that franchise, rather than suggest the operator is at fault.

All they did was action an option written into their franchise. Admit it, you'd have done the same!
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 17:12:46 »

I can't have done the same. I'm not a company involved in rail transport. First Group did what made financial sense for them. Sadly that was at the expense of taxpayers. Absolutely nothing wrong in that. Priorities are: safety; shareholders; government; passengers.

Were I the minister though, I'd've not scrapped the franchise process and rewarded an operator who walked away. Or, if it just wasn't possible to have a franchise competition it should have been DOR rather than a management contract.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 17:16:13 »

So you can put yourself in olace of the Minister, but not the CEO (Chief Executive Officer) OF firstGroup?! Huh?

You gaven't the facts to make that decision an informed decision....
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 17:22:29 »

Yep. I'm an individual, not a board of directors.

I also have no connection to First Great Western beyond being a passenger. Free to praise. Free to be critical. Free to defend.

I trust the ellipses+1 means some facts are forthcoming.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 17:33:10 »

Indeed. So is the CEO (Chief Executive Officer) OF first Group....

Don't understand your elipses+1 comment.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 21:33:21 »

Yep. I'm an individual, not a board of directors.

I also have no connection to First Great Western beyond being a passenger. Free to praise. Free to be critical. Free to defend.

I trust the ellipses+1 means some facts are forthcoming.

According to some authorities, an ellipsis at the end of a sentence should have four dots (others disagree - see http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1737920). Perhaps ChrisB is adhering to that convention...

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 10:56:20 »

I'd be surprised if any TOC (Train Operating Company) will bid for the new GW (Great Western) franchise if Roger Ford's estimates of the leasing costs he's postualted for the IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) in Modern Railways are any where near accurate.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 21:31:05 »

DLR (Docklands Light Railway), or whatever it is called
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 03:07:17 »

The Scotsman calls ICEC for Eurostar/Keolis.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/faster-journeys-for-new-east-coast-rail-franchise-1-3616950

Announcement expected later this morning.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 07:07:02 »

But then again, it might not be the French after all  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2014, 07:09:00 »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) News are reporting the Virgin/Stagecoach bid as won the ICEC franchise.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2014, 09:14:19 »

Here's the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) announcement of the Virgin/Stagecoach ("Inter City Railways") award:
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East Coast franchise awarded to Inter City Railways, a consortium of Stagecoach and Virgin.

Rail journeys between London and Edinburgh will be transformed by more seats, more services and new trains after the government announced its intention to award the new East Coast franchise to Inter City Railways, a consortium of Stagecoach and Virgin, today (27 November 2014).

The new deal will include a host of extra benefits for passengers:

23 new services from London to key destinations, with 75 more station calls a day
plans for new direct links to Huddersfield, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Dewsbury and Thornaby
proposals for more trains to London from Bradford, Edinburgh, Harrogate, Leeds, Lincoln, Newcastle, Shipley, Stirling, and York
3,100 extra seats for the morning peak time by 2020
across the entire train fleet there will be 12,200 additional seats ^ a 50% increase
65 state of the art Intercity Express trains brought into passenger service from 2018, totalling 500 new carriages
journey times from London to Leeds reduced by 14 minutes, and from London to Edinburgh by 13 minutes
a ^140 million investment package to improve trains and stations.
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