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« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2008, 17:52:12 » |
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Personal Track Safety, it's a competence card for working on the track, allows you to walk on the track etc. Not sure why you would need one for working on a platform?? If thats the case than all passengers should have one!
Now if a Ladder or scaffold is hit by a fast moving train at a station that is busy how many passengers could be killed? If it was hit head on, then just the person who might have been using at the time, as it'd get taken straight over the top in most cases.... So, None. Plus, the speed limit is what through a station, 10 these days? Giving the driver ample time to see it, and stop... That's a big word, line speed thourgh some platforms is 125 mph. Last incident I know of that had a scaffold stuck by a train killed 3 I think. WISE WORDS OF A TRACK GANG SUPERVISOR ,
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« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2008, 17:54:27 » |
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I know the answer, the rules don't allow it, and no employee of FGW▸ would dare breach a safety rule, and I don't blame them. So I'm not criticising the staff one bit. It certainly wasn't the train crew - they called Swindon for permission to unlock the other carriages, but were told not to. If 2x142s are not permitted to stop at Eggesford then why were they even attached at all? They were already attached; apparently it takes longer to uncouple them at Exeter than to lock the back half out of use at Exeter (and then unlock the back half and lock the front half again at Barnstaple). |
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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2008, 17:58:34 » |
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Personal Track Safety, it's a competence card for working on the track, allows you to walk on the track etc. Not sure why you would need one for working on a platform?? If thats the case than all passengers should have one!
Now if a Ladder or scaffold is hit by a fast moving train at a station that is busy how many passengers could be killed? If it was hit head on, then just the person who might have been using at the time, as it'd get taken straight over the top in most cases.... So, None. Plus, the speed limit is what through a station, 10 these days? Giving the driver ample time to see it, and stop... That's a big word, line speed thourgh some platforms is 125 mph. how many drivers actually go 125 through those platforms? More than likely none. |
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« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2008, 18:01:14 » |
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The reason Truro is classed as a short platform is because of the signal at the end of each platform, if any of them are "on" then the train has to stop a certain distance from it, and this distance then means that on the "up" coach A is just off the platform and on the "down" the rear door of coach H is off the platform.
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« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2008, 20:43:44 » |
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how many drivers actually go 125 through those platforms? More than likely none.
Sorry, Shazz  , but to be fair, at Nailsea and Backwell, for example, the non-stopping trains go through at anything up to 125mph. The station's on a slight curve, too, so there's no way they could see and stop in time if there was anything like a ladder or scaffolding on the track. On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I saw anyone actually doing any maintenance work at Nailsea ...  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2008, 20:55:59 » |
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Nailsea linespeed is 100mph I believe
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2008, 21:08:23 » |
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Thanks, d_m! Maybe it just feels like they're going through at 125, when I'm hiding in the perspex shelter from the wind, rain and turbulence!
However, whether it's 125 or 100, even when I'm on the platform, I'm sometimes surprised at how quickly they appear. As I wrote earlier, there's no way they could stop in time if Bob the Builder had left his ladder on the track!
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2008, 21:34:59 » |
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No sure why there would be a ladder on the track unless there was some kind of engineering possesion!!!
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« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2008, 21:50:23 » |
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An observation, 8+2 HST▸ 's cannot call at stations between Plymouth and Penzance, because of short platforms if the SDO▸ is U/S, yet when 8+2HSTs call in Truro Down platform all coaches are platformed, so why the BAN?
Thanks, Smokey! A similar observation in a similar vein from me, if I may? Why do they insist on using SDO, for the front three carriages only, when the five car 0846 Cross Country to Newcastle / Bristol Temple Meads stops at Nailsea and Backwell? All five cars are very comfortably 'platformed' (  ) so why not open all of the doors??? It just means the commuters waiting by the ticket machine / shelter have to walk up the platform towards the front of the train, get on, and then walk back down the length of the train to find a seat, because this sort of nonsense has apparently been happening at previous local stations? Yes, Nailsea and Yatton have 'short' platforms - but not that short! |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2008, 21:55:20 » |
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Some HST▸ guards don't seem to bother with SDO▸ , at Totnes today on the up I witnessed all doors unlocked, even though A is always platformed it is still LOOU▸
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« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2008, 22:47:19 » |
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No sure why there would be a ladder on the track unless there was some kind of engineering possesion!!!
Yes, fair comment, d_m, it was a figure of speech! However, I was thinking of a non- PTS▸ contractor who is more likely to leave ladders, planks or scaffolding lying about on the platform, to the temptation of 'bunking off' schoolboys to throw onto the track, for example? I agree with Smokey; in terms of safety, it's better to have some structured control over trackside maintenance work, rather than 'let's just get a local contractor in'! |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2008, 09:09:39 » |
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Chris.......Nailsea is in fact 4 coaches on under SDO▸ with the first door of D on the slope, and the whole place what there is of it was repainted by FGWs▸ own painters last October.
The use of Contractors for Railway work should be stopped ,and this work should be undertaken by the TOcs or Network Rail using directly employed staff who are subject to the same rigorus rules regards drugs, alcohol,competance
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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2008, 10:17:00 » |
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It used to be 5 coaches platformed at Nailsea, but with SDO▸ the front power car needs to be platformed for bike access, so reduces the number of coaches to 4. This isn't an issue for a Voyager as there is no separate power car, hence all 5 coaches fit.
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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2008, 20:22:15 » |
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Just to throw in my ten pence, I feel much safer getting the train to work everyday than the alternative - strapping myself into my car and attempting to survive the roads between Newton Abbot and Exeter - it's not the roads, but the other drivers!
At least when I get on the train, I am in the care of staff who are, hopefully, trained appropriately and within equipment which is maintained according to schedules. If I drive I am just at the mercy of any number of complete idiots, some of which will be driving without a license and without any insurance and possibly in cars which are not maintained as they should be.
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« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2008, 21:05:09 » |
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Does this help put it into perspective?  Perhaps it's safety first, and profit first as well? (That's data from "Railwatch" - the magazine of RailFuture.) |
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