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« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2015, 17:25:45 »

The Western Morning News view of the announcement
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EXCLUSIVE: New train fleet to replace Devon, Cornwall and Somerset's ageing inter-cities

EXCLUSIVE: First artist's impression of the AT-300 Hitachi trains First Great Western wants to run from London to Penzance. Ministers will decide by June whether to go ahead

A fleet of 29 new trains is to replace the ageing British Rail 125s running between London and Devon, Cornwall and Somerset by the end of 2018.

Branch lines in the far South West will also get more modern trains ^ spelling the end for little-loved "cattle truck" commuter trains ^ in what is being hailed as the "biggest fleet upgrade in a generation".

The major overhaul of inter-city and local trains is the centrepiece of First Great Western's (FGW (First Great Western)) proposal to run the rail franchise for the wider South West and much of Wales until 2019.

Full details of the package were revealed in this morning's Western Morning News.

The franchise until 2019 was confirmed with the Government when Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin visited the region this morning, and will mean much more comfortable trains, quicker journey times and a big increase in services to the far South West.

FGW is proposing newly-built "off-the-shelf" Hitachi trains as its preferred option for the new fleet, which would get from London to Penzance 14 minutes quicker than at present.

Arguably more significant is the timetable overhaul ^ allowing trains from the capital get to Exeter before 9am, to Plymouth before 10am and to Penzance before 11.40am.

From 2018, there will be more direct trains into Devon and Cornwall ^ doubling the number of trains into and out of Cornwall.

Chancellor George Osborne's Budget last week signalled new trains were potentially on the cards ^ but details were limited to the point of confusion.

But, as reported by the WMN» (Warminster - next trains), the 35-year-old 125s that most Westcountry commuters were familiar with appeared to be doomed.

Significantly, the new trains, which are still subject to contract and Department for Transport approval, would be a new order and separate from the 50 trains the Great Western line was already due to get from 2017 under the Government's ^4.5 billion Inter-city Express Programme.

Those trains, also made in Japan by Hitachi, are a hybrid of diesel and electric, or "bi-mode", but were only ever destined for the Great Western line between the capital and Bristol and Wales.

One of the problems was they lacked the power to get up the hilly terrain west of Exeter ^ meaning Devon and Cornwall missed out.

FGW's franchise recommends privately-financing a new set of AT-300 trains made by Hitachi. They, too, would be "bi-mode" but would be fitted with more powerful engines and bigger fuel tanks to deal with the far South West's geographical shortcomings.

It means the lack of electric lines west of Berkshire will not be a problem as the new trains will simply switch to diesel.
The deal's outstanding issue is whether the Government opts to go with FGW's proposal of Hitachi trains, or refurbish the 1970s high-speed trains. A decision will be made by June after the general election.

But Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin indicated a new fleet ^ rather than giving the old HSTs (High Speed Train) another face-lift ^ was on the cards in the far South West.

He said: "I am determined that passengers in the west, Thames Valley and South Wales get a railway that is fit for the 21st century. This is a fantastic deal which will give them more seats, more services and brand new fleets of modern trains."
Local services are also to be upgraded. New commuter trains in the Thames Valley commuter belt to London will also have positive effects for the far South West. So-called "turbo" trains deployed in the east of the franchise area will be shunted over to the Bristol and Bath commuter area, and a small number to Devon and Cornwall.

The peninsula's local commuters will benefit more, however, from the 158s inherited from Bristol and Bath. Most importantly it marks the end of the detested carriages serving branch lines often likened to "cattle trucks".

Other local improvements include:
* The "cascade" of 90mph trains will help "transform" local services between Bristol and Penzance and on the Barnstaple line in North Devon.
* Almost 60% more seats on suburban commuter services in the Exeter area and two trains per hour between Exmouth and Paignton.

The Government has previously announced it wants First Great Western to continue running services in the region until 2019, but today's announcement marks the first time plans have been made public.

It was also revealed for the first time FGW will pay the government around ^68 million to operate the franchise from September 2015 until April 2019.

Last year a ^150 million package announced included the upgraded London-Penzance sleeper, which is guaranteed to stay in the franchise.

Wi-fi is also now on all inter-city trains and branch lines are set to get wireless broadband access too.
Mark Hopwood, managing director of First Great Western, said the proposal of new trains was the "most compelling solution we could recommend to Government".

"The railway is central to the connectivity and economic prosperity of the region, and I am delighted we have been able to work with the Department for Transport to develop a privately funded deal that will deliver for our customers in Devon and Cornwall and begin to challenge some of the perceptions of rail. I am confident it will get the support and approvals it needs to go ahead.

"The Great Western network is already seeing the biggest investment since Brunel, and this deal has been designed to match that investment and ambition. It gives passengers newer trains, faster, more frequent services and importantly, given the growth this franchise has seen in recent years, more seats."

The announcement comes as campaigners work with the Government on a ^7 billion rail package for the peninsula, which could include two new railway lines to avoid the snaking coastal route at Dawlish. Nothing has been promised, however.

"The final piece in the jigsaw". Reaction to the announcement

St Ives Liberal Democrat MP (Member of Parliament) Andrew George said: "Train passengers have had to endure unacceptable standards in recent months. These upgrades are long overdue.
"If the Government can commit multi-billion pound funds for high speed services from London to the North then it's not too much to ask that we receive improvements which tackle the problems of comfort, reliability, overcrowding and competitive ticket pricing on routes to and through Cornwall."

Sarah Newton, Conservative MP for Truro and Falmouth, welcomed the "final piece of the jigsaw" in transformation of Cornish rail services.

"Thirty minute services through Cornwall will make life much easier for local people travelling about Cornwall. The reduced travel time from Plymouth to London, to three hours, is great news too.
All together, the package of investment will lead to more frequent, reliable and faster train services.
Too often in the past Cornwall has had the hand me downs from up country. Now we will be getting the very latest trains and thanks to signalling investment, more reliable and faster services."

But Luke Pollard, Labour's parliamentary candidate for Plymouth Sutton and Devonport, said: "The South West desperately needs new trains.

"What's hugely disappointing is that the decision to buy new trains could be taken today by the Government. Ministers do not have to wait until June when all the votes have been counted from the general election."

So, reading this, the displaced Turbos will probably be used on the Bristol/Cardiff to Portsmouth, whilst 158s will cover Exeter to Bristol, Swindon to Westbury and the Devon and Cornwall branches (??)
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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2015, 17:34:22 »

That is correct Phil. Cardiff-Portsmouth will be increased to five carriages with a 165/166 combination. Wonder if they will keep the First class section of the 166 reintroducing First to this route?
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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2015, 17:41:42 »

So, reading this, the displaced Turbos will probably be used on the Bristol/Cardiff to Portsmouth, whilst 158s will cover Exeter to Bristol, Swindon to Westbury and the Devon and Cornwall branches (??)
Yep, regional express units taken off a regional express service and put on branch line stoppers while the regional express route is landed with suburban stopper rolling stock. Roll Eyes Angry I've already exploded on hearing the news of yet more 'Sardine Midgets' being planned for the Great Western, and now I have yet another reason to be furious. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Next I guess will be confirmation that Pembroke Dock is to be reduced to single Pacers on Summer Saturdays... Anyone seen the new service level commitments?
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2015, 17:49:14 »

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The "cascade" of 90mph trains will help "transform" local services between Bristol and Penzance and on the Barnstaple line in North Devon.

Turbos running on the Branches/Barnstable/Exmouth/Paignton, with 158s on the longer distance Bristol/Cornwall & Weymouth/Cardiff's I reckon

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The announcement comes as campaigners work with the Government on a ^7 billion rail package for the peninsula, which could include two new railway lines to avoid the snaking coastal route at Dawlish. Nothing has been promised, however.

No chance whatsoever of two....

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"competitive ticket pricing on routes to and through Cornwall."

And they aren't already?.....fares are likely to rise to pay for this, not reduce.
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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2015, 17:53:42 »

Just to consider also. In Rail Technology Magazine regarding the new Abellio Award for Scot Rail Franchise:

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In addition to the  new electric train fleet, Abellio has committed to introducing 27 refurbished HST (High Speed Train) diesels by December 2018 for inter-city services between Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness. These could be cascaded stock from the Great Western Main Line, when the new ^Super Express^ Class 800/801s ^ also built by Hitachi ^ replace that fleet.

Emphasis on the word "could" ... But with the annoucement of a speculative suggestion to order enhanced Bi-mode AT300 and this annoucement in 2014 then 2+2 does seem to = 4 on this case.

I've also read somewhere (can only pass this on as Hearsay) that HSTs were also being considered for Portsmouth Harbour - Cardiff Central. But again this is only a rumor and could only be for a certain amount of HSTs. Any HST sets with Long Swing Link Bogies (LSL(resolve)) in the consist being unusable due to the risk of striking the 3rd Rail. Short Swing Link Bogies (SSL (Short Swing Link bogies (125))) don't have this problem and can operate over 3rd Rail Railways.



Now I must say... That does look very smart!
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« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2015, 17:57:12 »

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In addition to the  new electric train fleet, Abellio has committed to introducing 27 refurbished HST (High Speed Train) diesels by December 2018 for inter-city services between Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Inverness. These could be cascaded stock from the Great Western Main Line, when the new ‘Super Express’ Class 800/801s – also built by Hitachi – replace that fleet.

Do we know how many GW (Great Western) HSTs are SSL (Short Swing Link bogies (125)) and LSL(resolve)? I wonder if Abellio are taking all of one type & whether this is possible to Portsmouth H
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2015, 18:00:52 »

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Other local improvements include:
* The "cascade" of 90mph trains will help "transform" local services between Bristol and Penzance and on the Barnstaple line in North Devon.
* Almost 60% more seats on suburban commuter services in the Exeter area and two trains per hour between Exmouth and Paignton.

I read elsewhere in the Coffee Shop about the Devon Metro proposals whereby two through services would criss-cross Exeter..... Exmouth to Paignton and Barnstaple to Axminster. I know FGW (First Great Western) doesn't currently cover the East Devon local service and it is not shown in their interactive map, so I guess this is still TBA (??)
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« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2015, 18:11:16 »

Portsmouth Harbour in an HST (High Speed Train) is almost certainly possible and has been done many times before.

Although the acceleration in the Avon Valley section with the frequent Warminster, Westbury, Trowbridge, Bradford-on-Avon and Bath Spa stops would probably hurt the timetable a little bit. Although with say a formation of the following

43-TGS-TSD-TS-TS-TFRB-43
43-TGS-TSD-TS-TSMB-TC(resolve)-43

Might significantly help acceleration like the Virgin Trains Challenger Project.

However maybe having a calling pattern of HST with say Cardiff Central, Newport Gwent, Bristol Temple Meads, Bath Spa, Westbury, Salisbury, Southampton Central, Fratton, Portsmouth & Southsea and Portsmouth Harbour.

Would significantly ease overcrowding on the route by calling at Stations with significant journey connection opportunities and make better use of frequent stopping trains for the "last mile"

But this is again pure speculation!
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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2015, 18:11:27 »

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the far South West's geographical shortcomings.


Interesting turn of phrase. A lot of people would regard remoteness and upland terrain as a positive. Maybe they should have just said 'geographical situation'?

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« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2015, 18:14:24 »

That is correct Phil. Cardiff-Portsmouth will be increased to five carriages with a 165/166 combination. Wonder if they will keep the First class section of the 166 reintroducing First to this route?

Timmer, can you confirm your source for this cascade plan as nothing I've yet seen has been that specific regarding the Cardiff<>Portsmouth service?
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« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2015, 18:20:35 »

It's in the spec I posted earlier:

Quote from: Lee lilnk=topic=15535.msg173096#msg173096 date=1427123665
Specification for the Great Western second direct award and a summary of consultation responses - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/great-western-franchise-response-to-the-2014-consultation
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« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2015, 18:29:18 »

Many thanks, Lee - hadn't had chance to give that more than a skim read.
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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2015, 19:51:33 »

Doesn't anyone else find it slightly gauling that all these promises of new trains are tainted by the fact that we (Britain, inventor of the railways) have to go oversea to find a builder of said new trains..
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« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2015, 19:54:54 »

Like the French malaprop in the previous post...lol!
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« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2015, 19:59:02 »

It's in the spec I posted earlier:

Quote from: Lee lilnk=topic=15535.msg173096#msg173096 date=1427123665
Specification for the Great Western second direct award and a summary of consultation responses - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/great-western-franchise-response-to-the-2014-consultation
Yup that was my source regards 165/166s on Cardiff-Portsmouth II. Regards HSTs (High Speed Train) on this route, as much as I would like to see this I don't think it will happen. Turbos have been on the agenda for this route for quite sometime now.
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