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... I have known a number of cases of gross misconduct (which I would argue is the category in the case under discussion constitutes) resulting in dismissal
Gross misconduct is usually only for things like intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, discrimination, harassment and gross insubordination. Yep - that's pretty much a cut and paste from lawdonut.com which I use at work too - but you also need the context of the next sentence that these are examples of gross misconduct, not a conclusive list - you also need to consider the definition which points to behaviour which destroys the employee/employer relationship. http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/discipline-and-grievance/gross-misconduct-faqs#1Clearly this is an emotive subject (....which for some reason seems to have jumped from another thread) - clearly we're not going to agree - I'm going to step back and await the outcome of FGW▸ 's investigation and the action they choose to take.....enjoy the Bank Holiday! |
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« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2015, 10:14:39 » |
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Disciplinary Procedures are confidential - and rightly too.
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« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2015, 10:18:09 » |
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I note that this incident made it onto the front page of the Sunday Telegraph yesterday along with an apology from FGW▸ .
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« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2015, 11:45:53 » |
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Perhaps a though should go to the individual who made the announcement, for us who travel on the trains regularly we occasionally get our services disrupted and very rarely directly impacted by a suicide / "person on the line;" for staff who spend their whole working day traveling on trains that occasionally can be come frequently and that rarely can become often. This can obviously put a lot of stress on these on train staff who get the brunt of comments from disgruntled, get their own end of shift extended.
I hope the enquiry into this incident initially goes along the lines of was this due to stress on the part of the employee?
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2015, 13:39:17 » |
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Disciplinary Procedures are confidential - and rightly too.
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- Sir Terry Pratchett.
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« Reply #110 on: May 25, 2015, 21:05:22 » |
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Looking more and more likely an agreement will be reached with RMT▸ /UNITE as the TSSA» have now reached agreement.
Good. I am generally to the left politically, but I have no time for UNITE and their leader Len Mccluskey. It is to a large extent UNITE's fault that we have 5 more years of Tory government because it was UNITE that foisted the unelected Ed Milliband onto the Labour Party. Moving away from the thread subject somewhat, but, Tim, I'm rather confused by your comment about Ed Miliband being foisted onto the Labour Party. If you're generally 'left', that shouldn't have worried you too much? Who would you have chosen as leader then? And perhaps more to the point now, who should be chosen to replace him? I am generally of the left in that I prefer a Labour or LibDem government to a Conservative one. I am not of the left in that I want the labour party leader to be from the left wing of the party. I want the Labour party to be lead by a person who occupies the central grounds and is therefore electable. Ed Balls would have been my choice, but he of course is not standing. I don't know who I would pick from the current field, but it needs to be someone electable rather than the choice of a left-wing fraction of a union. |
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« Reply #111 on: May 26, 2015, 08:45:20 » |
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Looking more and more likely an agreement will be reached with RMT▸ /UNITE as the TSSA» have now reached agreement.
Good. I am generally to the left politically, but I have no time for UNITE and their leader Len Mccluskey. It is to a large extent UNITE's fault that we have 5 more years of Tory government because it was UNITE that foisted the unelected Ed Milliband onto the Labour Party. Moving away from the thread subject somewhat, but, Tim, I'm rather confused by your comment about Ed Miliband being foisted onto the Labour Party. If you're generally 'left', that shouldn't have worried you too much? Who would you have chosen as leader then? And perhaps more to the point now, who should be chosen to replace him? I am generally of the left in that I prefer a Labour or LibDem government to a Conservative one. I am not of the left in that I want the labour party leader to be from the left wing of the party. I want the Labour party to be lead by a person who occupies the central grounds and is therefore electable. Ed Balls would have been my choice, but he of course is not standing. I don't know who I would pick from the current field, but it needs to be someone electable rather than the choice of a left-wing fraction of a union. The name "Tony Blair" springs to mind! (Doubt they could afford him these days!)  |
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« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2015, 09:58:43 » |
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The name "Tony Blair" springs to mind! (Doubt they could afford him these days!) That name had crossed my mind too. Trouble with Tony was he had a highly flawed character in other ways, but a Labour party that is supportive of business and aspiration but which doesn't show neglect to those at the bottom of the heap either, is one that I think could properly be described as "Blairite" if such a term didn't carry such toxic connotations. And one that could be elected. |
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2015, 15:25:14 » |
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RMT▸ strike back on. 24 hours from 17:00 4th June and 48 hours from 17:00 9th June http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32920794 : RMT union members at Network Rail are to go on strike next month after rejecting a pay offer.
They will hold a 24-hour strike from 17:00 BST on 4 June and a 48-hour strike from 17:00 BST on 9 June.
Staff had been due to walk out last week in the row over pay, but the union's executive suspended the action when Network Rail offered a new deal.
Union reps met on Thursday to discuss the offer but it was rejected, leading to the announcement of fresh strikes.
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« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2015, 15:48:37 » |
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RMT▸ strike back on. 24 hours from 17:00 4th June and 48 hours from 17:00 9th June http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32920794 : RMT union members at Network Rail are to go on strike next month after rejecting a pay offer.
They will hold a 24-hour strike from 17:00 BST on 4 June and a 48-hour strike from 17:00 BST on 9 June.
Staff had been due to walk out last week in the row over pay, but the union's executive suspended the action when Network Rail offered a new deal.
Union reps met on Thursday to discuss the offer but it was rejected, leading to the announcement of fresh strikes.
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« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2015, 16:12:40 » |
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The rejected offer The new offer was for two years, with a 1% rise this year and a rise of about 1.4% next year. There would be no compulsory redundancies for the duration of the agreement. That's about what I'll get if I'm lucky, without the no-redundancy guarantee. |
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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2015, 16:16:31 » |
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The rejected offer The new offer was for two years, with a 1% rise this year and a rise of about 1.4% next year. There would be no compulsory redundancies for the duration of the agreement. That's about what I'll get if I'm lucky, without the no-redundancy guarantee. I've had my day rate cut twice in the last 6 months on a take it or leave it basis. The network rail offer seems quite generous to me! |
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« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2015, 16:20:34 » |
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As before, I won't be in the slightest bit surprised if these don't happen.
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« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2015, 17:06:56 » |
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As before, I won't be in the slightest bit surprised if these don't happen.
I agree, the dates seem to be chosen to cause maximum disruption/pre-strike managerial worry (mid-week 48 hour walkout?!), typical RMT▸ bully boy tactics. About time they wound their necks in a bit and woke up to the fact that the workforce has, in general, never had it so good. It's not 1860 anymore, Mr Cash! |
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« Reply #119 on: May 28, 2015, 17:26:50 » |
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that "48 hour one" will, if arrangements for the one cancelled were anything to go by, will be Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday - so 3 days effectively.
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