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« Reply #120 on: August 10, 2017, 02:09:45 PM »

The nice new cycle track that's in the same place as the nice old cycle track, the one that used to connect with the Pill Path along the river and the path out towards Long Ashton but now doesn't. At least, not directly. However, there is an amusing road sign at the start of the guided section the other end of the bridge, saying "Car trap".

No, you're referring to the nice old cycle track. The nice new one goes under the Cumberland Road bridge (hence my use of the phrase 'under the bridge' ) and emerges more or less opposite the entrance to Underfall Yard. Here's how it looked on Google Street View in April 2017:

https://goo.gl/maps/yUHQBUZd1fq
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« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2017, 09:22:14 PM »

The more I hear about this Metrobust thing......

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/strip-bristol-river-bank-cost-348042
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« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2017, 10:52:08 PM »


Interesting to see how George Ferguson's efforts to save us from having buses run through a museum are portrayed as a cockup...
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« Reply #123 on: August 21, 2017, 11:06:37 PM »


Interesting to see how George Ferguson's efforts to save us from having buses run through a museum are portrayed as a cockup...

Indeed, it is one of the few redeeming factors of this shambles. I have my reservations about his time in office but that decision was a correct one. The consequential execution of the revised route has been very much in the standard Metrobust mould though.
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« Reply #124 on: August 21, 2017, 11:18:13 PM »

Run through which museum? But if Bathurst Basin bridge is too narrow, how could anyone have though the buses could run over Prince St Bridge. In fact, how could anyone have thought that anyway?
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« Reply #125 on: August 21, 2017, 11:31:27 PM »

Run through which museum?

The M Shed complex.

But if Bathurst Basin bridge is too narrow, how could anyone have though the buses could run over Prince St Bridge. In fact, how could anyone have thought that anyway?

I'm not an expert on mental health, but you could do a bit of googling to see who was in charge of transport in Bristol when the MetroBus bid was submitted. Sept 9 2011 is the key date, incidentally - that'll be just over a year before George Ferguson came to office, if anyone cares about facts anymore.
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« Reply #126 on: August 21, 2017, 11:34:30 PM »

When I was a child to get to my aunts in Blagdon the bus departed from Prince Street. I remember when we sat at the front of the bus looking through the window into the drivers cab a notice on the duty card holder in the cab of newer buses which said 'THIS BUS IS n FOOT 6 INCHES WIDE DO NOT USE PRINCE STREET BRIDGE WITH THIS BUS'. There were iron billets positioned vertically each side of the bridge on the approaches to it to stop vehicles wider than the bridge carriageways attempting to cross the bridge. Those billets are still there to this day although they are painted white with red bands of paint around them.

When I heard that this was the intended route of Metrobust at its inception I thought to myself, never, the bridge isn't wide enough for todays modern buses.

After a repair job estimated to take 3 months the bridge reopened earlier in the summer after that 3 month repair job lasting 2 1/2 years, mind you the bridge looks lovely with its cream and brown paintwork and its operational as well having been on the bridge the Thursday before last when the klaxon started as we were crossing it so we sat in the area by the tea / coffee stall on the Prince Street side of the bridge, had a tea and let my two great nieces, 4 1/2 and 2 in two weeks time. watch the bridge open and close, according to my 4 1/2 year old the spectacle was amazing.
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« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2017, 07:53:23 PM »

The more I hear about this Metrobust thing......

..... the more I feel vindicated.
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« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2017, 08:01:49 PM »

The nice new cycle track that's in the same place as the nice old cycle track, the one that used to connect with the Pill Path along the river and the path out towards Long Ashton but now doesn't. At least, not directly. However, there is an amusing road sign at the start of the guided section the other end of the bridge, saying "Car trap".

No, you're referring to the nice old cycle track. The nice new one goes under the Cumberland Road bridge (hence my use of the phrase 'under the bridge' ) and emerges more or less opposite the entrance to Underfall Yard. Here's how it looked on Google Street View in April 2017:

https://goo.gl/maps/yUHQBUZd1fq
I wasn't aware of that at all, so it's good to be alerted to it.
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« Reply #129 on: September 10, 2017, 01:53:34 PM »

And as Metrobus build draws to an end ... rumours of more routes.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-one-step-closer-four-448460

So, as the plan stands as

  • Ashton Vale - Temple Meads
  • North Fringe - Hengrove
  • South Bristol Link
  • Cribbs Patchway Metrobus Extension
  • Keynsham
  • Yate
  • Thornbury
  • Bristol Orbital

The first three are nearly done, how much longer, and chaos for the next five?
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« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2017, 07:53:48 PM »

And as Metrobus build draws to an end ... rumours of more routes.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-one-step-closer-four-448460

So, as the plan stands as

  • Ashton Vale - Temple Meads
  • North Fringe - Hengrove
  • South Bristol Link
  • Cribbs Patchway Metrobus Extension
  • Keynsham
  • Yate
  • Thornbury
  • Bristol Orbital

The first three are nearly done, how much longer, and chaos for the next five?

"Bristol Orbital" has, like a lot of the MetroBust propaganda, something of the space cadet about it.

Where else in the world but the West of England would you see plans for the expansion of something that hasn't even been built as yet? Especially when the first three routes are three years late and costing the local councils an extra £50 million that they don't have? Then there is the question of why routes - Keynsham and Yate - should be built in competition with the railways. Plus what route will the Clevedon service follow that the existing bus service doesn't follow already?

Hopefully, this time DafT will spot the dodgy business cases for the routes, and won't be put off by a chancellor needing a cheap "good news" story to throw into an austerity budget.
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« Reply #131 on: September 27, 2017, 07:23:37 PM »

From the Bristol Post:

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Bristol MetroBus ‘likely’ to be delayed until 2018 because ticket machines are not ready

The new MetroBus service was originally set to launch in the autumn

The launch of Bristol's £230million MetroBus project is ‘likely’ to be delayed until 2018, transport bosses have admitted.

The bus service – which was due to launch this autumn – has been pushed back due to delays in the production of 'iPoint' ticket machines.

First approved in 2006, the MetroBus scheme has caused major disruption in Bristol and has been the cause of constant complaints. Even Bristol Mayor Marvin Rees has hinted that he wishes the rapid transport system hadn’t been given the go-ahead.

Unlike traditional bus services, all passengers will be required to buy tickets from an iPoint before boarding a MetroBus. The production of the machines is therefore vital for the launch of the service.

At least 79 iPoints will need to be installed before the first MetroBus can run. Alongside tickets, the iPoints will display real-time information about upcoming services, an emergency help button and map of MetroBus stops on the route.

But the machines are still being made and have to undergo more than 120 tests before they can be rolled out.

A MetroBus spokesman said: "Once the iPoints are installed and working, MetroBus services will start. This is likely to be in the new year."

Bristol City Council cabinet member for transport, Mhairi Threlfall, said: “These innovative information points are a vital part of the way MetroBus works. Passengers must have a valid ticket before boarding the MetroBus and these iPoints can sell single journey tickets, top up and sell smartcards. All this reduces waiting time at stops, making MetroBus faster and more reliable.”

Executive member for planning transport and strategic environment at South Gloucestershire Council, Colin Hunt, added: “It is important that all the different parts of these MetroBus information points – the ticketing, the real time bus information and the journey planners – are dependable, robust and work in all weathers and temperatures. We have to get it right before we can start installing them on the streets. I have seen a mock up, and they are very impressive.”

MetroBus is a joint project between Bristol, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset councils. Originally costed at £200million, the scheme is currently running £30million over budget.


A map of the current MetroBus routes

The first phase of the scheme will see three new rapid-transit bus routes to link Cribbs Causeway, Emersons Green and Hengrove, via Bristol city centre.

The MetroBus team always planned a staggered launch of the three routes, with the Cribbs Causeway and Emersons Green services scheduled to start next year.

Although the first phase of the project is not yet complete, the West of England Combined Authority – which is made up of Bristol, South Gloucestershire and Bath & North East Somerset councils and Metro Mayor, Tim Bowles – have approved investigative reports for four new MetroBus routes,

The new routes up for consideration include services to Keynsham, Yate, Thornbury and an orbital route around the outskirts of Bristol.

Managing director of First West of England, James Freeman, – the company which will operate the first MetroBus route between Hengrove and Bristol city centre – said the launch should be delayed until after Christmas if the bus routes are not be ready by December. He said: "We are ready to launch. Obviously we're not the ones deciding when to start running MetroBus, but it does not make sense to launch MetroBus in December. If, for whatever reason, we can't start MetroBus in November, our advice is to wait until after Christmas and start in January.”


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« Reply #132 on: September 27, 2017, 07:40:23 PM »

From the Bristol Post:

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Unlike traditional bus services, all passengers will be required to buy tickets from an iPoint before boarding a MetroBus. The production of the machines is therefore vital for the launch of the service.

At least 79 iPoints will need to be installed before the first MetroBus can run


I don't get that.  The Dublin Luas was launched with free travel for the first week or two, and that encourage people to try it out and get into the habit of using it - helped lead to a rapid ramp-up of use, and helped people get use to the system in phases - riding the tram first, and working the ticket machines second ... rather than a big logjam as people  struggled with two new things at once.

Why not let people travel for free until the ticket machines are working?   Help with the uptake, and help encourage the people putting the ticket system together to get their fingers out!
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« Reply #133 on: September 27, 2017, 07:59:14 PM »

How are the tickets to be priced? Especially, will you have to know exactly where you're going before buying a ticket or will it be a simple system, like fixed price or large zones?
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« Reply #134 on: September 27, 2017, 08:18:35 PM »

How are the tickets to be priced? Especially, will you have to know exactly where you're going before buying a ticket or will it be a simple system, like fixed price or large zones?

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The partnership agreement sets out the maximum fare levels for a single journey that the operators can charge. These are:

Up 3 miles: Adults £1.50 Children £0.75
3 to 6 miles: Adults £2.50 Children £1.25
Over 6 miles: Adults £3.50 Children £1.75
Concessionary travelcards will be accepted on all MetroBus services.
The actual ticket prices will set by the operators and this will be announced when final negotiation have ended.

Source: https://travelwest.info/metrobus/all-you-need-to-know


So I imagine that means the fares will be:

Up 3 miles: Adults £1.50 Children £0.75
3 to 6 miles: Adults £2.50 Children £1.25
Over 6 miles: Adults £3.50 Children £1.75
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