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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2017, 02:03:40 pm »

Reports elsewhere suggest that this contract - if Phase 1 is for Truro to St Erth resignalling - has gone to Atkins, not Amey.

http://www.railstaff.uk/2017/06/12/atkins-awarded-9m-contract-upgrade-signalling-cornwall/

My contact obviously got its 'A's mixed up  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2017, 10:11:34 pm »

Reports elsewhere suggest that this contract - if Phase 1 is for Truro to St Erth resignalling - has gone to Atkins, not Amey.

http://www.railstaff.uk/2017/06/12/atkins-awarded-9m-contract-upgrade-signalling-cornwall/

Good luck with that!!!
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« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2017, 03:07:56 pm »

Reports elsewhere suggest that this contract - if Phase 1 is for Truro to St Erth resignalling - has gone to Atkins, not Amey.

http://www.railstaff.uk/2017/06/12/atkins-awarded-9m-contract-upgrade-signalling-cornwall/

My contact obviously got its 'A's mixed up  Roll Eyes

Amey are doing the works in Cornwall East for the capacity enhancement.  4 New signals and renewals /alterations to axle counters and Plymouth/Lostwithiel panels.  New signals are at Bodmin Parkway and Menheniot.
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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2017, 07:31:30 pm »

Meanwhile I have heard somewhere that Stage 1 of the resignalling of Devon & Cornwaill will see a new panel installed at Roskear Junction to control Truro to St. Erth which would, unfortunately, see off the lower quadrant semaphores at both locations as well as the boxes.

Stage 1 of the Cornwall Resignalling only has some new intermediate colour light signal sections being installed between St.Erth (exclusive) and Truro (exclusive).  The existing mechanical signals at both of those places are remaining until Stage 2.  The new signals will be controlled from a new panel housed in Roskear Junction SB.
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2017, 09:06:49 am »

Do we know to what extent the Cornwall scheme will provide location data for sites like opentraintimes to get feeds from?  I'm guessing there will be no feed as it will like the panels installed in Evesham and Ascott boxes on the Cotswold Line.  Sounds a trivial matter but things like the CIS also work much better when such feeds are provided.
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2017, 01:26:19 am »

Reports elsewhere suggest that this contract - if Phase 1 is for Truro to St Erth resignalling - has gone to Atkins, not Amey.

http://www.railstaff.uk/2017/06/12/atkins-awarded-9m-contract-upgrade-signalling-cornwall/
To be controlled from a panel at Roskear Junction SB from what I have heard. I also hear that the semaphores at Truro and St. Erth will remain after this control panel takes over.

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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2017, 09:33:40 am »

Reports elsewhere suggest that this contract - if Phase 1 is for Truro to St Erth resignalling - has gone to Atkins, not Amey.

http://www.railstaff.uk/2017/06/12/atkins-awarded-9m-contract-upgrade-signalling-cornwall/
To be controlled from a panel at Roskear Junction SB from what I have heard. I also hear that the semaphores at Truro and St. Erth will remain after this control panel takes over.

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I confirmed this in the Bristol Commuters section as you originally asked the question there Roll Eyes Tongue
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Stage 1 of the Cornwall Resignalling only has some new intermediate colour light signal sections being installed between St.Erth (exclusive) and Truro (exclusive).  The existing mechanical signals at both of those places are remaining until Stage 2.  The new signals will be controlled from a new panel housed in Roskear Junction SB.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2017, 09:14:57 pm »

Do we know to what extent the Cornwall scheme will provide location data for sites like opentraintimes to get feeds from?  I'm guessing there will be no feed as it will like the panels installed in Evesham and Ascott boxes on the Cotswold Line.  Sounds a trivial matter but things like the CIS also work much better when such feeds are provided.
Apologies II, I omitted to reply to your query.  As far as I am aware there is no plan for a TD at Stage 1, so nothing other than the current manual TRUST reports for Stage 1.
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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2017, 09:41:09 pm »

In response to a very helpful suggestion from SandTEngineer, I have now moved and merged a few previous posts here - and also updated the topic heading.

CfN.  Wink

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2017, 12:44:35 pm »

For anyone who doesn't already know, it has been as good as" confirmed that there is no funding for Cornish re-signalling stage 2 in CP6. There are some proposals for some small schemes to improve reliability of the existing infrastructure going forward but this is not confirmed and is not likely to take place in the short term.
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2017, 01:01:02 pm »

For anyone who doesn't already know, it has been as good as" confirmed that there is no funding for Cornish re-signalling stage 2 in CP6. There are some proposals for some small schemes to improve reliability of the existing infrastructure going forward but this is not confirmed and is not likely to take place in the short term.

.....are you surprised? I'm not. Having had the pleasure of being responsible for S&T maintenance in that area I always said that if some funding was available for minor renewals I could keep the existing signalling going for 50 years or so....  Its mostly signal structures that are worn out the rest is in perfect condition.  So as I suggested on here before, renew existing mechanical signals with colourlights and job done.  Penzance is a perfect example of what could be done.

If BR had still been around that would have been completed some 10 years ago.... Wink
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2017, 02:07:04 pm »

Has CP6 funding/expenditure yet been confirmed? I think not perhaps...
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2017, 02:30:02 pm »

Has CP6 funding/expenditure yet been confirmed? I think not perhaps...

It doesn't make any difference to what I posted. Stage 2 is not happening in CP6.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2017, 05:40:39 pm »

Has CP6 funding/expenditure yet been confirmed? I think not perhaps...

It doesn't make any difference to what I posted. Stage 2 is not happening in CP6.

As ChrisB pointed out there is no funding allocated in CP6 for any enhancements anywhere in England and Wales. So the Cornish re-signalling is not alone.

It has been said often enough by Mark Carne, Sir Peter Hendy and Chris Grayling, following the recommendation in the Shaw Report, that as planning and execution of enhancement projects does not neatly fit into the Five Year Plan cycle, they will not be included in the Government's High Level Output Specification (HLOS). In future all enhancement projects will be approved (or not!) after they have been planned, costed and submitted regardless of when in the 5 year cycle they mature.

Basically, it's back to the position as it was with BR - projects got approved when all the ducks were in a row...!
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2018, 10:11:48 am »

An update on the additional signalling for December 2018 has been published in the Rail Engineer here: https://www.railengineer.uk/2018/01/15/cornwalls-capacity-challenge
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