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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 97151 times)
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« Reply #675 on: July 19, 2018, 05:47:13 pm »

Was somewhst amused by the announcement on a Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington train this morning, which was along the lines of "this is a 9 carriage train and for those unfamiliar with them, it has the feature that you can walk right along it, and all the first class is at the front'.

Later overheard a conversation he had with clearly a regular in that service that he was fed up of verbal abuse when it is 5 only.
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« Reply #676 on: July 19, 2018, 07:29:11 pm »

This was posted on the WNXX forum (19/07/2018) by a GWR 'Insider':
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Text sent out by RMT ending the agreement whereby a customer host can be in one half of a ten car IET rake and a guard in the other. Allegedly this follows an on board incident, so the RMT insist on a guard in each unit from now on. What do they do on Voyagers was the question asked of me this afternoon. Answer is I don't know, but one thing is certain, GWR do not have enough guards, so expect a lot more 5 cars or tens with 5 locked out. Wonderful.
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« Reply #677 on: July 19, 2018, 10:01:14 pm »

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GWR do not have enough guards, so expect a lot more 5 cars or tens with 5 locked out. Wonderful.


Ah, letís just cancel the training because we do not trust that Customer Hosts can get the job done. Or, remove half the train and impress all the passengers. RMT make the best impression..
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« Reply #678 on: July 24, 2018, 01:11:43 pm »

I see that half length IETs have returned today, about 6 I think.
Not as bad as some previous events but still far from impressive for new and very expensive units.

Stated as being due to breakdowns and not staff shortage.
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« Reply #679 on: July 24, 2018, 01:13:16 pm »

Suspect one 10 car formation may have been split to provide the five cars for the additional 12:33 Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads to take pressure off the 12:30 to Penzance via Bristol.
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« Reply #680 on: July 24, 2018, 01:27:23 pm »

Are there more 9 car IET's running, as I have noticed a couple of services on the Cotswold Line that were previously HST's? The services were the
0710 Moreton-In-Marsh to Paddington and the 1522 Worcester Shrub Hill to Paddington.
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« Reply #681 on: July 24, 2018, 01:32:00 pm »

Not sure of total numbers but there are currently nine cars on both the 13:36 Paddington to Cheltenham Spa and the 14:15 to Cardiff Central.
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« Reply #682 on: July 24, 2018, 02:33:24 pm »

By 03/10, all services between London and Gloucester/Cheltenham will be IETs. 10 cars will be cleared for the line by the end of August just after Stonehouse is complete.
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« Reply #683 on: July 26, 2018, 08:32:08 pm »

Concerning at Kemble where the driver had overran the platform and ASDO (of course) opened the doors in coach A. Luckily, the passengers leaving checked before looking down however others would have been in a different situation.


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« Reply #684 on: July 26, 2018, 09:02:02 pm »

The driver still has to give door release after which ASDO takes over, so doors opening when not on platforms should not happen!
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« Reply #685 on: July 26, 2018, 09:15:29 pm »

The driver should realise he over-ran and not release, but I reckon it wouldnít be automatically prevented.  My understanding of the fairly typical modern ASDO gear as used on SWR Desiros is that it doesnít detect stop shorts or over-runs.  Still relies on the driver hitting the right stop marker.

The 458/5s on the Reading side have a less complex system where each carriage has a sensor that makes its own decision, and so guards against stopping short, but not an over-run.

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« Reply #686 on: July 26, 2018, 10:51:50 pm »

Yes, Paul - that was my point.  It should not happen as the driver should realise they have overrun.  If they have overrun (it's not difficult to work that out) then they should not operate the door release buttons.  If they do then ASDO will not indeed not come to their rescue.
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« Reply #687 on: July 26, 2018, 11:36:42 pm »

Say this was during staffing hours surely the driver would have taken the appropriate action? If Iím honest there were two train managers who showed no interest at all, and Iím sure a report would have had to of been filed if appropriate action was taken.

What is the procedure of over runs? I have watched a SWT overrun video and it explains about local door open yet the driver releases the door as usual. I should have taken a photo in the end but I didnít want to delay the already delayed train.
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« Reply #688 on: July 27, 2018, 05:42:24 am »

20 half length services today, yes a FRIDAY.
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« Reply #689 on: July 27, 2018, 07:25:03 am »

20 half length services today, yes a FRIDAY.

I may be talking slightly out of turn here ... but if 5 car IETs were to be used on the diagrams from which that Adelantes (class 180) were withdrawn a short while back, would there still be a problem?   Looking at where there are short formations, though, they do appear to be different diagrams to the old Adelante ones, with some seriously busy services involved.
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